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Apr 28 17 9:35 AM
Ted Newsom wrote:But J'ACCUSE is not a horror movie. It uses horror-- or shock, fright, eerieness, disfigurement, whatever -- as a dramatic device, but its intent is not primarily shudders or making people pee their pants. Same thing goes for EYES WITHOUT A FACE. I finally saw it after reading about it for years and was surprised that basically it was a cop procedural. Beautifully done, had logical crimes with believable characters and motivations, great photography... and one scene which is a doozy. But it's really not a "horror" film any more than VERTIGO is.
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Apr 28 17 12:12 PM
ZUUL wrote:I don't know whether this would help anyone here - but I personally use a 'best of 3' criteria - 'Iconography', 'Tone' and 'Marketing' to determine whether a horror film is in fact a horror film. If the film gets 2 out of 3 I call it a horror a film. 1 out of 3 it is borderline or semi-horror at best. 3 out of 3 means the film is so blatantly horror it would be hard to argue otherwise.
Iconography - in other words, what's in it? If it has standard horror characters like vampires, werewolves and zombies, then yes. If it has settings like graveyards, crypts, creepy castles, creepy houses, then yes.
Tone - Is it trying to be scary? This is the most subjective area but if you've seen the film it's generally easy to arrive at a decision.
Marketing - Trailers, posters, tag-lines etc. - is it being sold as a scary/horror movie? Obviously most pre-1931 horror films will score a 'No' here.
I'm curious as to whether this approach would work for others. What I've found is that it eliminates a lot of films I would like to be horror films - THIRTEEN WOMEN, UNCLE SILAS, ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN but I think that is because I like them anyway and not because I feel they really qualify.
I'm ready for all the "But what about?'s you care to throw at me
Apr 28 17 1:40 PM
Wich2 wrote:In Crime Fiction, the Procedural is a specific sub-genre.
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Apr 30 17 3:00 PM
Rick wrote:I don't know because I haven't seen LA LA LAND yet, but I always give mucho extra leeway to musicals. If I didn't, every time someone suddenly burst into song and an invisible orchestra wells up on the soundtrack and nameless folks in the background start singing and dancing along...well, you could make a pretty good case for all that stuff being fantasy. Of course, flying....that might be something else. There is a flying -- or more like anti-gravity-- scene in Woody Allen's EVERYONE SAYS I LOVE YOU, in the middle of a dance featuring Woody and Goldie Hawn. At the time, in the theater, I remember thinking "Hmm, do I call this a fantasy because of this?" I finally decided, no I'm just going to chalk it up as musical frou-frou, just choreography carried to the next extreme.Another line that's tough to draw.
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