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delgadosaur		#641	[-]
Feb 16 13 2:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	with respect to the warner animated stuff, I really like the stuff they'd done before, but the quality of work that I've seen lately does not inspire me, especially the Dark Knight Returns anime interpretation, which just leaves me cold.
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blackbiped		#642	[-]
Feb 18 13 2:28 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: Yes, sir. (Like many brilliant points, so simple that many miss it.) I don't think TDKR fans like it because they missed a point. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. Porfle's Secret Blog HK and Cult Film News Andersonvision.com
Wich2		#643	[-]
Feb 18 13 11:01 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BB, I meant no insult to those who like TDKR in particular; life's too short, and a little enjoyment is a good thing. I just thought that drmedula really made a cogent point about dramatizing The Bat. The Wife and I just rewatched the '70s miniseries SANDBURG'S LINCOLN. I like it very much - but it has a boatload of specific shortcomings that I can readily grant, w/o stopping my liking of it in general. Best, -Craig
HalLane		#644	[-]
Feb 18 13 4:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I've not seen the third Nolan film yet, but my feeling is, if you want to see a sleeker Batmobile, or more detective stuff, or more whatever, read the comic books. That's where those things work best. I've never felt the need to have all that adapted into films -- let movies be movies, and let comics do what they do best. It's not like movies could ever improve on comic books, or comics improve on movies. They're essentially different animals.
delgadosaur		#645	[-]
Feb 19 13 12:28 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hal nails it here, for me. To me, movies are not the end-all/ be all. I still love Gotham by Gaslight, a fantastic Batman story.
Robert Troch		#646	[-]
Feb 19 13 10:30 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HalLane wrote: I've not seen the third Nolan film yet, but my feeling is, if you want to see a sleeker Batmobile, or more detective stuff, or more whatever, read the comic books. That's where those things work best. I've never felt the need to have all that adapted into films -- let movies be movies, and let comics do what they do best. It's not like movies could ever improve on comic books, or comics improve on movies. They're essentially different animals. I NEVER look for movies to improve on the source material but I DO expect an interesting adaptation to see how they decided to translate it all to the screen. Some work great, others fail badly. Nolan's adaptation (to me) was much more on the fail side of the scale. One example for me would be Hellboy. It was very much on the plus side because it was a pretty good film but it also didn't reject it's roots in order to make it acceptable for the screen. Not always easy to do but as we have seen it can be done. Nolan's Bats reminds me a bit of Hammer's attempts to re do classic monsters. Sometimes it worked fabulous (sometimes it was just bad) but the only difference is that people already had the screen versions in their heads (even if Drac and Frankie were both originally books) so much of it was a very different re boot of the screen versions that everyone remembered. For me though Nolan's Bats has little to do with the Bats I remember. A sleeker Batmobile and all is one thing (take it or leave it) but the character himself? Aye that's the rub. Robert T.
Wich2		#647	[-]
Feb 19 13 10:37 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That's all fine with me too, as far as it goes. But whether we're talking of Cathy Lee Crosby's WONDER WOMAN, Robert Downey Jr's SHERLOCK HOLMES, or Christian Bale's BATMAN, it's also fair to think that dramatists should get the spine of the character right first, then allow all the rest to flow from there. Ala Lynda Carter's WONDER WOMAN, Jeremy Brett's SHERLOCK HOLMES, and Timm/Dini's BATMAN (and Chris Reeves' SUPERMAN, and several more examples.) -Craig
Robert Troch		#648	[-]
Feb 19 13 3:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: That's all fine with me too, as far as it goes. But whether we're talking of Cathy Lee Crosby's WONDER WOMAN, Robert Downey Jr's SHERLOCK HOLMES, or Christian Bale's BATMAN, it's also fair to think that dramatists should get the spine of the character right first, then allow all the rest to flow from there. Ala Lynda Carter's WONDER WOMAN, Jeremy Brett's SHERLOCK HOLMES, and Timm/Dini's BATMAN (and Chris Reeves' SUPERMAN, and several more examples.) -Craig Pretty much on the same page with this. Robert T.
delgadosaur		#649	[-]
Feb 19 13 6:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	the animated batman stuff had taken a real tumble for me the past few years. I like anime, but the style of those shows really seeps of anime now. For me.
Wich2		#650	[-]
Feb 19 13 8:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh, agreed del. When I sing the lauds of Timm/Dini, it's pre-Bobbleheads!
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drmedula		#651	[-]
Feb 19 13 9:08 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, I wouldn't describe BRAVE AND THE BOLD as looking like anime... but I know what you mean; most of the DTV stuff has been unengaging to me.
n0s4a2		#652	[-]
Feb 19 13 9:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Finally saw the Dark Knight Rises on DVD and boy was it a long, lugubrious, pretentious bunch of flim-flammery. It's as if the director wanted to be making a movie on the French Revolution or make some Big Statement about society and human suffering instead of a Batman movie. What a bore.
ArmandV101		#653	[-]
Feb 19 13 9:49 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	TDKR is so Batman-less. Half of the movie involves the physical and mental woes of Bruce Wayne, then we get a little Batman in it. After this, just a bunch of unconvincing garbage and maybe a sprinkling of Batman at the end. I wonder if we'll ever get a Batman movie where he shows why he's "The World's Greatest Detective." That's probably too much to ask for. This movie reminds me of Gamera 3 in which there was very little Gamera in it, with one exception: at least the Gamera story was engaging. Armand's Rancho del Cielo
delgadosaur		#654	[-]
Feb 23 13 10:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I agree with Medula's Brave and the Bold statement, I just hate the Sprang stuff. It seems silly to me.
Godziwolf		#655	[-]
Mar 1 13 1:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	delgadosaur wrote: the animated batman stuff had taken a real tumble for me the past few years. I like anime, but the style of those shows really seeps of anime now. For me. What do you think of the new Spiderman series?
delgadosaur		#656	[-]
Mar 3 13 6:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I must admit that I don't watch it, even though I recently worked on a Marvel animated series that I'll probably never watch either, lol. I don't really watch much of the stuff I contribute to. I've never....counted the animated stuff in the same category as filmwork, I regard them as two different media. That said, at least Warner animation had its day. None of the Marvel stuff, aside from the early Bakshi Spider-man and the Hanna Barbera Marvel stuff, ever moved me, or came off as just plain embarrassing. Plus I think a lot of the staging in the animated series now swings back and forth between anime-influenced or compartmentalized comic book panels on screen that don't allow the stories to be well-paced or breathe. I don't mind the anime stuff, just think the over-reliance on fight scenes really water down the story. Don't know if anyone knows this, but the networks WANT there to be a fight in every act, with really actually limits storytelling, tension and character building. Having stated that, the budgets and schedules for the TV animation stuff don't really allow for much visual exploration. That was a long answer to a simple question, lol.
Wich2		#657	[-]
Mar 3 13 7:27 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	But a very good one, del. -Craig
delgadosaur		#658	[-]
Mar 4 13 12:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	lol, thanks man.
cabmangray		#659	[-]
Mar 4 13 2:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I just caught this on DVD, so excuse me if some points have been brought up before. I found it overlong and underwhelming. It reminded me of a episode of the ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN where the story was about Lois or Jimmy, with no Superman in it, so the writers came up with an excuse for Supie to break thru a wall, or something. A few nagging points: So Bane sounds like Sean Connery? Nolan has no problem with Bane or Catwoman knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman? Wayne is returned to "the pit" in what looks like upper Mongolia for months, but is able to not only escape, but get back to civilization and save the day in the nick of time with no money and no help? Nolan could'nt come up with something other than the "did he or did'nt he fake his own death" climax? Bane is damn near unstoppable but Catwoman easily blows him away with one of the Batbike's cannons? Why does Batman talk like he's channeling Clint Eastwood? Wayne donates Wayne Manor as a school for wayward kids; ok, what if one of the kids takes piano lessons and accidentally opens the door to the Batcave? Did the film really have to run almost 3 hours? The film felt to me like it was almost an afterthought. Nolan spent all his creative juices on the second film, and had to come up with a climax to the story. So he came up with a Batman movie with next to no Batman in it, but plenty of Bruce Wayne. Sorry, not what I was looking for.
delgadosaur		#660	[-]
Mar 4 13 3:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I was okay until the stadium scene, then I was out for many of the points you just brought up. I HATED the end with Alfred. He stands and walks over to them. At least end it that way. Dump a lifelong friend for a pretty burglar? I dunno. This film crumbled on many levels. Still the first two are, to me, magnificent.
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