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TomWeaver999	Fahrenheit 451	Lead	[-]
Jul 3 12 4:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I figured I'd post this in the CHFB's FAHRENHEIT 451 thread ... and then learned that, in the umpteen-year history of the CHFB, apparently no one's been interested enough in the movie to start one!: http://www.nytimes.com/20...opia.html?pagewanted=all
kcor.tylerandjacksmo...		#1	[-]
Jul 3 12 4:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm interested in the movie, but not as sf. I think we can agree it is not a CHFB horror movie.
Kosmo13		#2	[-]
Jul 3 12 4:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thank you for posting the link! In the spirit of the article, I'm going to shut off my PC now and go swimming.
scotpens		#3	[-]
Jul 3 12 5:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The world does seem to become more like Bradbury's bookless dystopia with each passing year, doesn't it? Francois Truffaut's 1966 film version may not be horror, but I think it merits discussion here. If not, delete this thread. The movie is very different from the book, but I still consider it one of the better Bradbury screen adaptations. The source novel is there in spirit more than in letter. Having Julie Christie play the dual role of Montag's wife Linda (changed from Mildred in the novel) and Clarisse (who was much younger in the book, IIRC) was a self-conscious gimmick. But hey, it was Julie friggin' Christie! And I love the toylike but somehow menacing fire truck (with all those men riding standing on an exposed platform -- don't they have safety regulations?) and the cool French experimental monorail. Last Edited By: scotpens Jul 3 12 5:12 PM. Edited 1 times.
kcor.tylerandjacksmo...	A	#4	[-]
Jul 3 12 6:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	An arguement for the sf-ness of F451: And I do not desire counter-arguement that anyone could suspend four guys on visible cables and swing them around.
Rick		#5	[-]
Jul 3 12 6:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's a terrific piece, thanks for posting it, Tom. The guy makes a very persuasive case, making some connections that hadn't occurred to me. I did notice that he mentions "Welles's" science-fiction. I doubt he's referring to Orson Welles, but rather, just added an "e" to H.G. Wells's last name. By the way, the heading for this Forum is '60s Horror and Sci-Fi. And, to me, it's definitely s-f. So no sweat.
scotpens		#6	[-]
Jul 5 12 5:27 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	kcor wrote: And I do not desire counter-argument that anyone could suspend four guys on visible cables and swing them around. Unfortunately, judging by some of the inane comments on the IMDb message boards, some people seem to base their opinion of the entire movie on that one cheesy process shot. (Which is pretty inept even by 1966 standards.)
Monsterpal		#7	[-]
Jul 6 12 2:02 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's not an effects picture, so it's puzzling that they put that in at all. The ending, with the book people reciting passages in the snow, is certainly worth the price of admission all by itself, though. I've read that they were ready to pack up when it started to snow but Truffaut decided to go ahead and shoot it. I'm glad that he did.
kcor.tylerandjacksmo...		#8	[-]
Jul 6 12 7:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	scotpens wrote: kcor wrote: And I do not desire counter-argument that anyone could suspend four guys on visible cables and swing them around. Unfortunately, judging by some of the inane comments on the IMDb message boards, some people seem to base their opinion of the entire movie on that one cheesy process shot. [...] Not me.
CucamongaDan		#9	[-]
Jul 8 12 1:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's one of my favorite movies and favorite books. And more truly horrifying than some monster that just kills you and its over, in my opinion. Sociology is not a "hard" science but can be a very scary subject. I've always enjoyed examples of science fiction predicting the future, and love citing the predictions from Fahrenheit 451 that have come to pass: People walk around ignoring each other because they're more interested in listening to their earbuds. People have short attention spans and are too distracted by mass media to do much real thinking or philosophizing. People have big giant flat panel TVs in their houses. They are entertained by watching police chases on them. There is a thread that never ends. Yes, it goes on and on my friends. Some people started it not knowing that a tree can walk, And they'll keep posting forever about a movie they can mock...
hermanthegerm		#10	[-]
Jul 8 12 8:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Bradbury's fiction almost always looked back into the past. 451 is just one example. The piece makes sense, but anyone familiar with Bradbury already knows this. Nostalgic literature is not limited to Bradbury either. See Twain, or Ellison, or many others. I think many people get to a certain age where they start resenting the rapid rate of change. But also look at what even some the people who love technology (today) do with it, they take pictures of their breakfast to post on Facebook, that is create a record of the past even if immediate, impersonal and ephemeral as a photo of bagel that will be gone in a few minutes. Bradbury wrote of the future, with his feet firmly planted in the past. "There is a lot of money tied up in this film and people expect to hear a boom when something blows up, so I'll give them a boom." George Lucas as quoted by Harlan Ellison's WATCHING
Godziwolf		#11	[-]
Jul 26 12 4:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	CucamongaDan wrote: People have short attention spans and are too distracted by mass media to do much real thinking or philosophizing. There's an old argument. The world started ending shortly after it came into being. "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).
Saturday8pm		#12	[-]
Aug 5 12 11:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hmmm ... no thread on "Fahrenheit 451"? Not reaffirming. Good read and I suppose the connections between current events and social standards and Bradbury's literary premonitions are worth exploring, though it's not really clear what is behind some of the disturbing behavior out there. As we've observed here in other threads, it's not the gadgets themselves that are to be vilified, be it semi-automatic or the seemingly fully-auto- matic iPhone, but people's willingness to cave to fads that don't fulfill them despite their conscious acknowledgement of that realization. I've seen rational people justify these things to no end reminding them that such tools were there all along: calendars, notepads, newspapers, etc. It's the same ol' thing with brighter packaging. As Bradbury is quoted, "“Put me in a room with a pad and a pencil and set me up against a hundred people with a hundred computers.” I've seen abuse of technology by elders: my mother yapping FOUR HOURS on the telephone with friends at a time. It's funny at once to be the one to admonish the parent: "Why don't you get her over here for some tea?" Of course, this idea was rebuffed as being "inconvenient". Really, what it all boils down to is people endlessly attempting to compress time for the sake of gaining time. Time for what? If we're so busy inventing things that inevitably cause us to avoid one another because we "don't have the time" for one another anymore, than we've been at the point Bradbury and so many others warned us about for well over a hundred years. Maybe it's that frustration in trying to connect with one another that causes violence? "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
Saturday8pm		#13	[-]
Aug 5 12 11:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ANYWAY, the real reason I came here is: Can anyone tell me who the character actor is who plays the fireman, not sure if he's supposed to be Black or Stoneman, who spits out the apple during a raid and views Montag with suspicion throughout? I've seen him sooo many times over the years and it's bugging me. Not credited anywhere, to my knowledge. "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
professor liebstrum		#14	[-]
Aug 9 12 4:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Anton Diffring. The Man who could cheat Death, Circus of Horrors, Tons of Nazis, Dr Who {Silver Nemesis}, One of the guys I will always watch if he's on screen. He has... a quality. I think Montag[Werner} knocks the apple from his hand. Pops up later in the film as a school mistress. They don't say in the docs in the R2 DVD if he's playing another character or if he's in drag, spying on Montag. But... I suspect the latter, he looks a lot like some of my infants school teachers. I love the film, I'm retreating more into the 60's as I get older. It looks futuristic but only just. I was sorry to hear about the problems esp between Werner and Truffaut during the making of the film. Somehow I want to believe, on a film, I enjoy, which is as good as this, everyone got along just great They should have put in the mechanical hound but could they have pulled it off ? Those flying guys are soooo lame. Russ Last Edited By: professor liebstrum Aug 9 12 5:45 PM. Edited 2 times.
horrorfilmx		#15	[-]
Aug 9 12 6:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	In case no one's mentioned it yet, this movie has one of my all time favorite Bernard Herrmann scores.
CucamongaDan		#16	[-]
Aug 10 12 12:34 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Now that you mention it, I agree. There is a thread that never ends. Yes, it goes on and on my friends. Some people started it not knowing that a tree can walk, And they'll keep posting forever about a movie they can mock...
Wich2		#17	[-]
Aug 10 12 10:31 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Great stuff about a great movie from some great folks. Thanks, all. -Craig
Saturday8pm		#18	[-]
Aug 10 12 2:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks, Russ ... couldn't find anything anywhere. Agree about the futurism, it's minimal ... not just suggesting we've been there before, 'cuz we have. Will again for sure. Kcor's right, and I think it's just as Bradbury wanted it. It's a warning, don't forget the past. "The Time Machine" is the same message in a strong Sci-Fi presentation. Yep, great score too. Not sure if it's totally appropriate here, but understand why Truffaut chose the romantic over the abstract. "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
flashback		#19	[-]
Aug 10 12 2:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	hermanthegerm wrote: Bradbury's fiction almost always looked back into the past. 451 is just one example. The piece makes sense, but anyone familiar with Bradbury already knows this. Nostalgic literature is not limited to Bradbury either. See Twain, or Ellison, or many others. I think many people get to a certain age where they start resenting the rapid rate of change. But also look at what even some the people who love technology (today) do with it, they take pictures of their breakfast to post on Facebook, that is create a record of the past even if immediate, impersonal and ephemeral as a photo of bagel that will be gone in a few minutes. Bradbury wrote of the future, with his feet firmly planted in the past. i am one of those people who has a tendency to resent the speed of change and progress.sometimes i wish the changes would slow down.i joke sometimes that when i figure out how things work they change again.so i can identify with what you say bradbury was like.
professor liebstrum		#20	[-]
Aug 10 12 4:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There was a nice Radio adaption on the BBC a couple of month's back which used the Herrmann score. I think it's probably my favourite as well. Re Anton Diffring, I was surprised to see him in Doctor Who, he wasn't the "star" he had been, but he was still a big name for the show to attract in it's last series. Turns out he was a tennis fan, he wanted to attend Wimbledon and it coincided with the shooting Russ

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