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Crow T Robot		#21	[-]
Jul 3 12 1:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Sometimes it is difficult to separate the celebrity from their performance. Britney Spears goes nutsy koo-koo, parties all night, gives a totally lackluster "comeback" performance on some music awards show, leaves her 2 babies with nannies so she can go bar hopping and then shaves off all her hair. It's a little hard to listen to her albums then and not think of all the craziness. Sadly, it pays to be a "bad boy" it today's society. I unfortunately find it hard to separate the performers from their off screen "Performances." Roman Polanski - has sex with an underage girl, goes to trial, illegally flees the country, thumbing his nose at the judicial system, and he gets a standing ovation at the Oscars when his movie wins the Academy Award. I don't know about you, but I can't even remember the name of the film. I remember seeing it, but guess I wasn't as impressed as his "peers" were. Mel Gibson - The Passion Of The Christ - The anti-Semitic remarks. But he's still making movies. Charlie Sheen - ya watch him boozing on Two And A Half Men - ya see him boozing on youtube video rants Tom Cruise - Bouncing up and down on Oprah's couch saying he's in love for the first time (after being married twice before - guess he married 2 people he didn't love), seeing him verbally joust with Matt Lauer on the Today Show calling him "glib" because he disagrees with Cruise on Psychiatry - after all, Cruise "researched" the history of Psychology so he know much more that the average Joe on the subject. And then we have the modern celebrity - ya know, the ones who are famous for, well, what are they famous for? Paris Hilton. Bethany Frankel. Kim Kardashian. Hey, if Kim can be famous, why can't her sister Khloe be famous too? And who can forget Bubble's the chimp. Why, he was even the date of Michael Jackson at The American Music Awards. Now days the more famous you are, the more they wanna push the buttons. Actually, many lesser famous people push those buttons to try to be more famous. They will only appear if they have only green M&M's in their dressing rooms. No orange fruits. They must be allowed to fly with their cute little chihuahua. And he must be given his own seat. And it must be a window seat. And he must fly for free or they won't fly that airline ever again. Heck, if you or I tried pulling that crap, they'd kick us off the plane. Hey, wait. If they did kick me off the plane I could run and cry to the press, get plenty of publicity, and then I'D be famous too. God bless America!
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kcor.tylerandjacksmo...		#22	[-]
Jul 3 12 1:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	TomWeaver999 wrote: If I want to see a movie directed or written by or starring (or or or or or) somebody I think is vile, I may eventually see it ..... but in such a way that it doesn't profit him/her. [...] That's somewhat my thinking, except I will tip over at about a nickel or so though. And I take solace in watching a lot of stuff by vile people who are now dead so I can't help them, and people who have no participation in the $$$ still coming in, or are unlikely to see a career boost from my purchase. That latter is surely the case for Simpson and Capricorn One.
Carl Eyesnheart		#23	[-]
Jul 3 12 1:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Crow T Robot wrote: Sometimes it is difficult to separate the celebrity from their performance. Britney Spears goes nutsy koo-koo, parties all night, gives a totally lackluster "comeback" performance on some music awards show, leaves her 2 babies with nannies so she can go bar hopping and then shaves off all her hair. It's a little hard to listen to her albums then and not think of all the craziness. Sadly, it pays to be a "bad boy" it today's society. I unfortunately find it hard to separate the performers from their off screen "Performances." Roman Polanski - has sex with an underage girl, goes to trial, illegally flees the country, thumbing his nose at the judicial system, and he gets a standing ovation at the Oscars when his movie wins the Academy Award. I don't know about you, but I can't even remember the name of the film. I remember seeing it, but guess I wasn't as impressed as his "peers" were. Mel Gibson - The Passion Of The Christ - The anti-Semitic remarks. But he's still making movies. Charlie Sheen - ya watch him boozing on Two And A Half Men - ya see him boozing on youtube video rants Tom Cruise - Bouncing up and down on Oprah's couch saying he's in love for the first time (after being married twice before - guess he married 2 people he didn't love), seeing him verbally joust with Matt Lauer on the Today Show calling him "glib" because he disagrees with Cruise on Psychiatry - after all, Cruise "researched" the history of Psychology so he know much more that the average Joe on the subject. And then we have the modern celebrity - ya know, the ones who are famous for, well, what are they famous for? Paris Hilton. Bethany Frankel. Kim Kardashian. Hey, if Kim can be famous, why can't her sister Khloe be famous too? And who can forget Bubble's the chimp. Why, he was even the date of Michael Jackson at The American Music Awards. Now days the more famous you are, the more they wanna push the buttons. Actually, many lesser famous people push those buttons to try to be more famous. They will only appear if they have only green M&M's in their dressing rooms. No orange fruits. They must be allowed to fly with their cute little chihuahua. And he must be given his own seat. And it must be a window seat. And he must fly for free or they won't fly that airline ever again. Heck, if you or I tried pulling that crap, they'd kick us off the plane. Hey, wait. If they did kick me off the plane I could run and cry to the press, get plenty of publicity, and then I'D be famous too. God bless America! Really, she doesn't need to do any of that to make it hard to listen to her albums. I agree with Mr. Weaver. I did see both Jeepers Creepers films through borrowing a friends DVDs. It was a frustrating experience, as I liked the first film quite a bit, and realized I would have to avoid a director I actually did like a film by. I have to admit that I am a little easier on musicians. I cut them a lot more slack for some reason. I think because IMO a musician often times succeeds the most when there are demons that they are battling. I say this as a musician myself. I never realized before how much slack I give to them. I did have a girlfriend get REALLY mad at me once. She used drugs, something I have never done. I used to come down on her all of the time for it. She asked why I had to give her such hell about it, yet then I turned around and idolized the people I did. I had no answer for her. Heck, I lost a heck of a lot more when Johnny Thunders died than I did when she broke up with me. Why wasn't I more concerned with Thunders then I was with her? My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com Last Edited By: Carl Eyesnheart Jul 3 12 1:33 PM. Edited 2 times.
drmedula		#24	[-]
Jul 3 12 1:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hesitate to give that "from great suffering comes great art" line any credence, but I DO believe in the power of art as therapy- that an artist can find personal RELIEF from their suffering through the creative process. Of course, none of that excuses their bad behavior- but it sometimes means the work has value that shouldn't be disregarded just because they're a jerk.
Victor Frankenstein		#25	[-]
Jul 3 12 2:03 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	All the celebs mentioned so far have the obvious stories that the tabloids have rocked for decades. How many more have lied on their taxes? Cheated on their spouses? Been raging alcoholics/drug addicts? Driven over the speed limit? Held grudges for lifetimes? Hit their kids? Supported evil 'fill-in-the-blank' political party? Walked by homeless people on the street and laughed at them? "OOooo what THAT one did was bad! Really bad!" "How bad? On a the unknown scale of bad-ness, how bad?" There is simply no way to know that 'my ticket money' = 'their drug habit'. The equation actually goes in reverse: 'They made a movie, that you are purchasing the right to see."
Carl Eyesnheart		#26	[-]
Jul 3 12 2:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	drmedula wrote: I hesitate to give that "from great suffering comes great art" line any credence, but I DO believe in the power of art as therapy- that an artist can find personal RELIEF from their suffering through the creative process. Of course, none of that excuses their bad behavior- but it sometimes means the work has value that shouldn't be disregarded just because they're a jerk. The thing is, though, with many musicians it seems to come with an early death. I'd say more musicians die an early death due to their troubles than do actors and directors. Is it that there are more successful/semi-successful musicians than there are actors maybe? My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Wich2		#27	[-]
Jul 3 12 2:41 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No, it's that they tend to be worse to themselves - as you mentioned above.
Rick		#28	[-]
Jul 3 12 5:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There's only one actor whose work I actively try to avoid, and my feelings arise not from news reports, or loony antics, or even criminal behavior. I was simply in the room once when this particular moron went through his 'routine.' It was a very uncomfortable and unpleasant personal experience and I don't care to watch him and be reminded of it. But, even in that case, I did watch one of his movies since that event, because I'd heard really good things about the film. It was good, I'm glad I watched it, but I probably would have enjoyed it about 25% more if someone else had played his role. But, other than that first-hand experience, I think I'm pretty much immune to an actor's offscreen indiscretions. I can watch a Mel Gibson movie, or Charlie Sheen, or Lindsay Lohan, and within half a minute, I totally forget about their personal dramas. The O.J. Simpson case is a tough one. I dearly love the first two NAKED GUN movies, and I can still watch them and enjoy them. If the murderer had played the leading role...well, I dunno. I assume I have some sort of threshold. I wouldn't watch a Hitler performance, had he been an actor. But where my limit is between the Juice and Adolph, I dunno. The only other instance I can think of concerns Robert Taylor. The first time I saw the newsreel clip of him naming names (Howard Da Silva's in particular) in front of HUAC, my tummy turned over. It took maybe a year to evaporate enough for me to watch Taylor in a film. Now, I can watch WESTWARD THE WOMEN or CAMILLE, and enjoy them -- and him -- totally. The memory of what he did never leaves, but it doesn't contaminate my opinion of the movies. We've been through this kind of stuff before. There was a thread called "Actors You Hate" or something like that. I didn't get it then, I don't get it now. If they don't personally impact me or mine, as that &^@#) actor-who-shall-be-nameless did, I don't "hate" any of them. I don't like to think, actually, that I "hate" anyone at all. Life's tough enough without wasting an emotion of such intensity on someone who means nothing to me.
Wich2		#29	[-]
Jul 3 12 5:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(Wrong thread. Fixed it. Sorry gang.) Last Edited By: Wich2 Jul 4 12 9:53 AM. Edited 1 times.
Saturday8pm		#30	[-]
Jul 3 12 5:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	kcor wrote: Saturday8pm wrote: Good question, Ryan. Here's a good case, 'cuz it's fresh: Anderson Cooper has outed himself. [...] To my mind, this is a totally separate variety of case. Being become known as someone who "accepts" Scientology is different from someone who says publicly they are homo- or hetero- or bi-sexual. I say. Yes, you can look at it this way, and I look at it the same way you do, because as I typed, "... one voice of reason rose above all ...". It doesn't affect my opinion of Cooper as a person or as a journalist, and of course, I don't know him personally. Surprised I was at the announcement, but it doesn't matter. He had his reasons on the whens and the whys. But pressure still exists, and it's PC to pretend it doesn't. His is a good example then for that very reason. As we all know, prejudice exists on many levels. Couldn't care less one way or another which way Cruise himself swings or what deity he answers to, that's his business, not mine, and not my personal criterion on whether I like him or his work. At the core of Ryan's question is, what makes or breaks celebrity? I say it's character, and Cruise has at times come off as a bit of a buffoon. I still like some of his work, but yeah, as some others here have stated, there are some things where he comes off as too cocksure. Big turn off with me. By "cocksure", I mean absolute in thought and at times disparaging of others' ideas and philosophies. There's a difference between opinion and belittlement. John Wayne, as another example in this category of person, was a master of belittlement, but wasn't afraid to belittle himself at times in deference to those whom he respected. Not that it gets him off the hook, but in Wayne's time people could proudly demonstrate their narrow mindedness in public. Cooper, on the other hand, absolutely exhibited bravery for "coming out", at least that's my initial reaction. He still can lose if this is bungled. Perhaps it was about to be reported by someone else. If so, why, and why now? So, if the reason why is suspect, then that's another story and changes the game considerably. It can work for or against him. Hopefully it shouldn't matter at all. But who knows. Carl Eyesnheart wrote: You aren't saying Cooper has a "character flaw," are you? Just a chance to clarify before somebody raises hell. Nope, to the contrary. As stated in my above reply to kcor, "Cooper, on the other hand, absolutely exhibited bravery for 'coming out', at least that's my initial reaction. ... so, if the reason why is suspect, then that's another story and changes the game considerably." "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
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Saturday8pm		#31	[-]
Jul 3 12 5:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: No, it's that they ( musicians ) tend to be worse to themselves - as you mentioned above. Which reminds me: Brian Jones, 2/28/42 - 7/3/69 Now THERE's a celebrity with more than a few character flaws! ( Great last pic of that lineup, though. Elegantly wasted, indeed. ) "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
Wich2		#32	[-]
Jul 3 12 6:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	All I can say is, here in NYC Anderson's statement was about the farthest possible thing from a surprise. Beyond that, he's a solid journalist, and - unlike some of the folks cited in these threads recently - seems to be very much not a jerk. Mazeltov!
Elisabeth		#33	[-]
Jul 3 12 6:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's funny, because another actor comes to mind: Adolphe Menjou. I despise everything he stood for. (just the thought of his politics spikes my blood pressure) He was so supremely talented, though, that I always enjoy watching him. Just watch him with Katharine in STATE OF THE UNION. The two were polar opposites, and despised each other to the point that they didn't speak a word to each other unless the camera was rolling. The made magic, though, in one of the best films ever made. Robert Taylor? A pretty wuss when he started, a rat b$trd wuss when he named names and a boring wuss as he aged. The only Taylor film I've ever managed is WATERLOO BRIDGE, and that's only because of Vivien Leigh.... Mr. Menjou makes me smile... Your Signature ... "....I do hope he won't upset Henry..."
Saturday8pm		#34	[-]
Jul 3 12 6:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Elisabeth wrote: It's funny, because another actor comes to mind: Adolphe Menjou. I despise everything he stood for. Mr. Menjou makes me smile... Dunno the man, I guess I'm showing my n00bness agin. But yeah, that's often the problem here: Love the work, hate the worker. Brilliance in the arts, it seems, often is a bittersweet wine. Sometimes, I wouldn't have it any other way; keeps the drink interesting and devilishly smelly. "Lord I love Spring! The birds, the fair weather, the new flowers. It doesn't get any better than this. HOLY CRAP! what's THAT?!?"
bromstaker		#35	[-]
Jul 3 12 8:19 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think Sean Penn is an excellent actor. I don't agree with his politics, but that in and of itself wouldn't put me off watching his films. My problem with Penn is that he often comes across as a caustic a$$hole when expressing his political opinions. I also don't care for cheap shots taken at Christians. So I won't pay one red cent to watch a Penn performance. If something featuring Penn comes on tv for free I may tune in if the film interests me. But the last time I paid money to see a film he was in was Mystic River (dvd rental). Having a political opinion is one thing, and everyone's entitled to free speech. But for the life of me I can't understand how some of the Hollywood left feel the need to go beyond that and insult or disparage potentially 50% of their audience. If that's the way they wanna play then by God they're not getting a dime out of me.
VarneyVampire		#36	[-]
Jul 3 12 8:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hmm, don't know Brom, Penn may take shots at Christians but he certainly acts like one . . . a heck of a lot more than most Christians I've met! http://www.csmonitor.com/...-Haiti-for-the-long-haul
Wich2		#37	[-]
Jul 3 12 9:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>. . . a heck of a lot more than most Christians I've met!< VV, I don't know about the ones you've met. But among those I know, my sister went to Asia for the cleanup after the tsunami, one friend worked for the U.N. in the Congo, another's daughter just went to Ghana to help out, a member of my congregation who used to work at free clinics in his native Tibet is going to work at one in San Franciso, and the Episcopal Actors' Guild that I'm a member of went down to Ground Zero to work several nights after 9/11. That's for starters, anyway.
Omega Man		#38	[-]
Jul 3 12 10:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	GhostofChaneysLiver wrote: I am starting to boycott those Hollywood Super-Libs who are constantly shoving their politics down people's throat. You want to change things? Go and vote on Election Day. It is your right. Shut up already... Coming up after the break on Fox News... Why don't liberal celebrities just shut the heck up when it comes to politics? Joining our panel discussion will be committed conservatives Chuck Norris, Janine Turner, Victoria Jackson, Charlie Daniels and Jon Voigt... I'm pretty dang liberal, but I watch plenty of movies starring Heston, Willis, Schwarzenegger, etc. After all, they're Americans and absolutely entitled to their political opinions -- just as I am. Their beliefs off the movie set have no bearing on whether I'll watch them playing fictional characters in fictional scenarios. "Dammit, it's jammed!" www.eccentric-cinema.com
flashback		#39	[-]
Jul 3 12 10:27 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	interesting how if a celeberity who is on the other side of the political fence is out of bounds when they give their opinion.yet if it is someone who you agree with is ok to speak their mind.in some cases of course.i am not talking about everyone.
bromstaker		#40	[-]
Jul 3 12 10:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Varney, Penn has done a lot for Haitian relief efforts. I'll give him that. But that makes his remarks about Christians all the more problematic. Those are folks you want making charitable contributions to humanitarian relief efforts. It makes no sense to alienate them. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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