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looneyguy1985		#1001	[-]
May 25 12 1:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Uchujin65 wrote: looneyguy1985 wrote: Godziwolf wrote Tonally, it reminds me a lot of Edward Scissorhands -- but without the John Waters influence. Depp plays Barnabas just like he played Edward -- a character who is entirely earnest, but trapped out of time, interacting within a social network which is relentlessly weird and striving very hard to be normal. It doesn't work quite as well, because it's shackled to the convoluted plot, bloated character set, and established chronology of a multi-decade soap opera, and because the underlying tragedy comes first instead of last. But the ending, although perhaps too convenient and not entirely consistent, plays as an alternate ending to Edward Scissorhands -- what if Kim had embraced her inner freak instead of running back to suburbia? In Dark Shadows, being a Collins is a much stronger draw. There are bound to be comparisons between Barnabas and Edward but to say that he played them exactly the same is not accurate at all. Barnabas is an elegant, well spoken, sophisticated creature who was once a high figure of society. Edward was none of these things. I disagree, Burton loves the "outsider in a strange world" motif, even Pee Wee has that running through it and of course he was definitely eager to mold Barnabus into that. Since Edward Scissorhands Burton has played a lot of his protagonists to that tune: Willy Wonka, Alice (which was very forced), etc, even The Penguin in Batman Returns is kind of played as Edward Scissorhands gone bad. To critique Burton for molding Barnabas into this type of character isnt very fair. Barnabas Collins has always been this type of character, even the way Jonathan Frid played him, true the dial has been turned up slightly. I think the character of Barnabas is a natural fit for Burtons stable of characters
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Rick		#1002	[-]
May 25 12 2:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It wasn't Craig who inspired my childish, but thankfully short-lived response. I won't say who did inspire it because I'm trying to rise above. Lord, I'm tryin'!
Spoiler II		#1003	[-]
May 25 12 2:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There comes a point where a film maker has to come to grips with the fact that after 20 years,numerous huge studio films,big box office and the ability to do whatever dream projects you wish,you are no longer the weirdo outsider peeking into the systems gates anymore. I get that George Lucas feeling of someone trying to do something outside of the "Man's" game but ends up in the thick of it,redoing the same popular theme over and over and rattling off remakes of TV shows and old nostalgic films than doing potent original stories.
Colossus Rex		#1004	[-]
May 25 12 6:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dang, I missed it, Rick!
Rick		#1005	[-]
May 25 12 6:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just stick around, Colossus. I'll probably say something stupid any minute now.
Alias the Scarecrow		#1006	[-]
May 25 12 6:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	EDITOR MFTV wrote: dracsback wrote: Alias the Scarecrow wrote: ... On the plus side, Chloe Grace Moritz continues to astound as she did in LET ME IN and KICK-ASS. She is certainly an actress to be watched in the future. here here. I'm looking forward to the Carrie remake with her as the title character and Julianne Moore as her mother. That's the first that I've heard of this..I've never been much of a fan of the CARRIE film, however, with CGM and Moore in it, I think that could be very interesting!
lsohgirl		#1007	[-]
May 25 12 8:03 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have no qualifiers. My wife and I thought the movie was very good, entertaining, and we have no complaints about the story, Depp or Burton. I AM sometimes curious - most of the reviews here are from people who went into the film ready to like it or dislike it based on the merits - or lack of same - they felt, of the film. But here a bit and more other sites I read of people who had seen little on the film - maybe the trailer - which they disliked - and were totally prepared to dislike the film...period.... I do not take the opinions of people on films I'm ready to see as pulling me one way or the other. I am, I must admit, more easily pleased than most critics on this board. Movie going then tends to be a very pleasurable experience for both Nancy and me. I can't say I have liked all films I've seen recently. But have found something of interest in many of them. Having said that, it is of no import to me whether anyone else likes DARK SHADOWS or not. I did...other did, also....others didn't. Different strokes, etc. etc.
Colossus Rex		#1008	[-]
May 25 12 8:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Rick wrote: Just stick around, Colossus. I'll probably say something stupid any minute now. It's comforting to know there's something you can depend on in this crazy world!
EDITOR MFTV		#1009	[-]
May 26 12 4:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	138 million worldwide so far. Probably when all is said and done (after it's theatrical run, TV rights, DVD/Blu-ray sales) it will probably end up in the black (barely). As Dick said earlier, other people's opinions have no influence on me when it comes to films. Marian and I both enjoyed the film and that's ALL that matters to us. Jim Clatterbaugh Editor/Publisher MFTV www.monstersfromthevault.com
Godziwolf		#1010	[-]
May 29 12 3:32 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: >Burton loves the "outsider in a strange world" motif< A harder question: which film of his DOESN'T harp on that cord? Ed Wood, Mars Attacks!, Sweeney Todd? For Big Fish and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory it's a matter of how you phrase the question. Big Fish is also an insider in a strange world. If you assert that Wonka is the main character (and in the movie, he basically is), then so is CatCF. In Pee-Wee, the world is normal and the outsider is strange.
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Badfinger		#1011	[-]
May 29 12 3:49 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Godziwolf wrote: Wich2 wrote: >Burton loves the "outsider in a strange world" motif< A harder question: which film of his DOESN'T harp on that cord? Ed Wood, Mars Attacks!, Sweeney Todd? For Big Fish and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory it's a matter of how you phrase the question. Big Fish is also an insider in a strange world. If you assert that Wonka is the main character (and in the movie, he basically is), then so is CatCF. In Pee-Wee, the world is normal and the outsider is strange. ED WOOD and MARS ATTACKS definitely have the "outsider" motif. I haven't seen SWEENEY TODD.
Wich2		#1012	[-]
May 29 12 4:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What Bad said (and neither Sweeney nor Mrs. Lovett are exactly "fit in" folks in a "normal" world.) Godziwolf, if you don't see Ed Wood as an outsider in the strange world of Hollywood, I guess we just really see the world differently! Last Edited By: Wich2 May 29 12 5:17 PM. Edited 1 times.
Gojira		#1013	[-]
May 29 12 4:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Does it freaking matter if Burton sticks to the same sort of character? Whether they work or not is up to the opinion of the indivdual. What next? Complaing about Hitchcock always having icy blondes (and awful FX in the car scenes)?
Wich2		#1014	[-]
May 29 12 5:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>Whether they work or not is up to the opinion of the indivdual.< Agreed. And a board like this is for discussing things like that, yes? (Apologies for responding to the wrong poster above - hey, the names "Gojira" and "Godziwolf" have a connection, yes? I've fixed it.) -Craig Last Edited By: Wich2 May 29 12 5:16 PM. Edited 1 times.
Gojira		#1015	[-]
May 29 12 5:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well yes, I'm just not sure if Burton returning to the same character types is bad inof themselves. Last Edited By: Gojira May 29 12 5:17 PM. Edited 1 times.
Gojira		#1016	[-]
May 29 12 5:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	PS forgive my rudeness in the earlier post.
flashback		#1017	[-]
May 29 12 7:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	to me it is not about burton going to the same charactor.it is about, by all things shown about the movie so far, not doing dark shadows right. when i heard of burton/depp doing the dark sahadows movie , i thought they will either doa great job or royally mess it up.all signs indicate the major messing up.
Wich2		#1018	[-]
May 29 12 9:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No prob, Gojira; no offense meant by my post, either. Best, -Craig
Badfinger		#1019	[-]
May 30 12 12:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	flashback wrote: to me it is not about burton going to the same charactor.it is about, by all things shown about the movie so far, not doing dark shadows right. when i heard of burton/depp doing the dark sahadows movie , i thought they will either doa great job or royally mess it up.all signs indicate the major messing up. I agree. I have no issues with the recurring theme of an outcast. That isn't the reason so many of Burton's films are so God awful. DARK SHADOWS is a satire of a Gothic soap opera. It focuses on the soap opera elements just as much as the horror elements; perhaps more. But it's painfully unfunny. The humor is forced and falls flat. It was a struggle to sit through. I doubt I will ever watch another Tim Burton film. I've been burned too many times.
Godziwolf		#1020	[-]
May 30 12 9:17 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: What Bad said (and neither Sweeney nor Mrs. Lovett are exactly "fit in" folks in a "normal" world.) Godziwolf, if you don't see Ed Wood as an outsider in the strange world of Hollywood, I guess we just really see the world differently! You can bend the term to encompass them. I just don't see Ed Wood or Sweeney as the bizarre outsider who finds himself lost and adrift in an even more bizarre, although on the surface normal, world. Wood is too much the insider for that, and Sweeney was just a broken man gone 'round the twist in a brutal world. To put it this way -- Sweeney understood Victorian London all too well; he just hated it.
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