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Helrunar		#641	[-]
May 4 12 10:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Gary,thank you for that beautiful tribute to the real Dark Shadows. You really grasped the essential mood that made the series so compelling. And Will, thank you for making me feel a little less of a Nerdus Maximus. BarnaDepp's supposed "Eighteenth Century" personality speaks and behaves like no one ever did in that illustrious century, on or off stage. And the whole thing with Carolyn really bugs me because Graham-Smith has worked on Jane Austen so he of all people should know that girls of good families did not "come out" before age 16 at the earliest. but it's all really like pissing in the wind with this thing... H.
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G Vallejo		#642	[-]
May 5 12 12:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I actually never saw the original or the movies, so I don't have any preconceived notions about it... but watching Depp in the trailer shouting "Out, tiny spirit!" at the television really turned me off. A perfect Monster has no end...
Domenick Fraumeni		#643	[-]
May 5 12 3:13 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts
Joe Karlosi		#644	[-]
May 5 12 5:36 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	theuglyinsect wrote: I see a lot of people bashing Burton for his Planet of the Apes "reimagining" but really I think a lot of the blame lays at the feet of 20th Century Fox- who at the time seemed to be looking at trapping a big name director to the project and then preceded to meddle in every aspect of the film. All the same, one only need watch the bonus footage of Burton directing the film to see him exploding with laughter after just about every take and approaching the whole thing as one big gag. And all the "nyuk-nyuking" comes off in the final product. "Guy named Squeamy got thrown from the fifth floor. He's deader'n a mackerel."
Wich2		#645	[-]
May 5 12 8:52 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	For me, Burton's work in general is fatally compromised by the "uber-ironic" take of much post-SNL genre material. The guiding principle seems to be, to put it in Beatle-ese, "Nothing is Real."
Brett		#646	[-]
May 5 12 8:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Not a fan of the TV show, couldn't give a whit about the movie, but I was in Ginza, Tokyo, over the weekend and saw this. Hopefully someone will find it interesting. Sidelong Glances of a Pigeon Kicker
HalLane		#647	[-]
May 6 12 4:24 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nice, Brett! Thanx for sharing. Seems to have a different tagline in Japan. Does the numeral 200 refer to Barnabas' age? Love the logo!
Brett		#648	[-]
May 6 12 4:43 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks, Hal. From what I gather, it says something along the lines of, "Awoken for the first time in 200 years." Sidelong Glances of a Pigeon Kicker
HalLane		#649	[-]
May 6 12 5:08 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Very groovy. And, hope you had a nice time in the Land of the Rising Kaiju!
Brett		#650	[-]
May 6 12 5:12 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HalLane wrote: Very groovy. And, hope you had a nice time in the Land of the Rising Kaiju! Thank you, sir! I actually live in Japan, just not in Tokyo. So I'm in the Land of the Rising Kaiju 24/7! Sidelong Glances of a Pigeon Kicker
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HalLane		#651	[-]
May 6 12 9:17 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Y'know, I have a hunch that the humor aspects everybody's having such conniptions about might actually go over pretty well in Japan, just a feeling. Maybe you can let us know what the word on the street is when DS opens over there, Brett?
Godziwolf		#652	[-]
May 6 12 12:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: For me, Burton's work in general is fatally compromised by the "uber-ironic" take of much post-SNL genre material. The guiding principle seems to be, to put it in Beatle-ese, "Nothing is Real." SNL is a contemporary of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's an odd place to assign blame for ironic genre output.
Wich2		#653	[-]
May 6 12 2:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, I didn't say that the one thing defined all. But it is a valid benchmark among several, and not an odd choice at all. I stand by my diagnosis of the overweening irony-into-cynicism that prevents Burton's work from having a real center/heart. It's the polar opposite of the concept that Chaney Jr. used to talk about: essentially, that the audience is enabled to take a story seriously precisely by the fact that the people making the film take it seriously.
Brett		#654	[-]
May 6 12 5:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HalLane wrote: Y'know, I have a hunch that the humor aspects everybody's having such conniptions about might actually go over pretty well in Japan, just a feeling. Maybe you can let us know what the word on the street is when DS opens over there, Brett? If I hear any reactions, I'll let you know. I live in a small town that doesn't even have a movie theater! So movies usually come and go, and they're very easy to miss. But if I come across any feedback, I'll share it here. Thanks again! Sidelong Glances of a Pigeon Kicker
will		#655	[-]
May 6 12 8:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: Well, I didn't say that the one thing defined all. But it is a valid benchmark among several, and not an odd choice at all. I stand by my diagnosis of the overweening irony-into-cynicism that prevents Burton's work from having a real center/heart. It's the polar opposite of the concept that Chaney Jr. used to talk about: essentially, that the audience is enabled to take a story seriously precisely by the fact that the people making the film take it seriously. I think that is dead-on. It is clear from Burton's comments in general he thinks everything he does is some kind of joke. And he contradicts himself. He didn't think he was making a comedy, but he earlier said Dark Shadows the series had a funny vibe or whatever it was he exactly said. I think he looks at Dark Shadows the soap opera and Vincent Price movies and what attracts him exclusively is the camp aspects, not the horror. What attracts him to Dark Shadows is the same thing that attracted him to Plan 9 From Outer Space. He can't see the difference. He is not interested in scares or moving people with a dramatic story. He is interested in set design, weirdness; he is like a populist for the avant garde. He is at his best being visually imaginative, not making you jump out of your seat. Last Edited By: will May 6 12 9:45 PM. Edited 1 times.
Spoiler II		#656	[-]
May 6 12 11:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	will wrote: Wich2 wrote: Well, I didn't say that the one thing defined all. But it is a valid benchmark among several, and not an odd choice at all. I stand by my diagnosis of the overweening irony-into-cynicism that prevents Burton's work from having a real center/heart. It's the polar opposite of the concept that Chaney Jr. used to talk about: essentially, that the audience is enabled to take a story seriously precisely by the fact that the people making the film take it seriously. I think that is dead-on. It is clear from Burton's comments in general he thinks everything he does is some kind of joke. And he contradicts himself. He didn't think he was making a comedy, but he earlier said Dark Shadows the series had a funny vibe or whatever it was he exactly said. I think he looks at Dark Shadows the soap opera and Vincent Price movies and what attracts him exclusively is the camp aspects, not the horror. What attracts him to Dark Shadows is the same thing that attracted him to Plan 9 From Outer Space. He can't see the difference. He is not interested in scares or moving people with a dramatic story. He is interested in set design, weirdness; he is like a populist for the avant garde. He is at his best being visually imaginative, not making you jump out of your seat. Not true,he can make me jump out of my seat to find something else to watch.
Gojira		#657	[-]
May 7 12 5:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Burton has moved me with dramatic stories and given good scares, so he is capable of making genuinely great movies. This one, though, doesn't seem in the same ball park.
Servant of Legendre		#658	[-]
May 7 12 6:53 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: Well, I didn't say that the one thing defined all. But it is a valid benchmark among several, and not an odd choice at all. I stand by my diagnosis of the overweening irony-into-cynicism that prevents Burton's work from having a real center/heart. It's the polar opposite of the concept that Chaney Jr. used to talk about: essentially, that the audience is enabled to take a story seriously precisely by the fact that the people making the film take it seriously. Reminds me of Carrie Fisher talking about cracking up or something during the destruction of Alderaan scene. Peter Cushing wisely councelled, 'You may not take it seriously, but the Princess does.'
Wich2		#659	[-]
May 7 12 10:54 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Saint Peter was no dummy.
Badfinger		#660	[-]
May 7 12 1:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Spoiler II wrote: will wrote: Wich2 wrote: Well, I didn't say that the one thing defined all. But it is a valid benchmark among several, and not an odd choice at all. I stand by my diagnosis of the overweening irony-into-cynicism that prevents Burton's work from having a real center/heart. It's the polar opposite of the concept that Chaney Jr. used to talk about: essentially, that the audience is enabled to take a story seriously precisely by the fact that the people making the film take it seriously. I think that is dead-on. It is clear from Burton's comments in general he thinks everything he does is some kind of joke. And he contradicts himself. He didn't think he was making a comedy, but he earlier said Dark Shadows the series had a funny vibe or whatever it was he exactly said. I think he looks at Dark Shadows the soap opera and Vincent Price movies and what attracts him exclusively is the camp aspects, not the horror. What attracts him to Dark Shadows is the same thing that attracted him to Plan 9 From Outer Space. He can't see the difference. He is not interested in scares or moving people with a dramatic story. He is interested in set design, weirdness; he is like a populist for the avant garde. He is at his best being visually imaginative, not making you jump out of your seat. Not true,he can make me jump out of my seat to find something else to watch. Aint that the truth!
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