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Mark Morgan		#41	[-]
May 5 12 12:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm a bit rushed now so I can't do a full review. I really enjoyed the movie. It reminded me of some of the Roger Moore James Bond films (of which I'm a huge fan) in that the characters were played more for fun than depth and were constantly being thrown into one action sequence/chase scene after another. Loki was good as the villain. They really needed a trickster for this one just to set up all the hero vs hero battles. The alien Chitari are the Ultimate Marvel Universe's name for the Skrulls and that version of the characters have to eat people before they can assume their shapes which is why we probably didn't have any general shapeshifting in the script. They're apparently still around at the end so we might see some of that in the next one, even if cannibalism would be a bit extreme for Disney film. The audience broke into applause several times when I saw it, usually for either Captain America or the Hulk. In fact, Cap got a lot of applause and cheers in this film which made me happy as next to Superman, Captain America is my all time favorite super hero! One thing they did say that confirmed a suspicion I had about the ending of Captain America: The First Avenger, was when Loki confirmed the Cosmic Cube was a gateway. That means that the Red Skull was transported not vaporized, which is a good indicator that he could show up for a sequel. Marvel has slated Captain America 2 for a 2014 release so I guess we'll find out then. It would be nice to see him come back with his familiar gang: Arnim Zola, Crossbones, Sin, and so forth. The only comment I have for right now on the film is not mine but was made an internet film critique that I sometimes listen to. He stated that the movie felt like a prolonged Third Act finale to the five films that came before it and that's pretty much how I felt. There was some characterization but it was a very simple story with a very simple purpose: Get the heroes together, have them fight until all heck breaks loose, then have them team up and beat the bad guy. That's pretty much the Avengers in a nutshell and you know what? I think that was the best way to play it, at least for the first film. In a sequel I would want to see more character and plot, but for this one, it was all about the fan service: doing as many cools things as they could possibly cram into one film. I approve! I whole heartedly approve!!! Superman: Dreams save us! Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I SWEAR ... Until my dream of a world where Dignity, Honor, and Justice become the reality we all share, I'll never stop fighting. EVER! Doctor Who: No, don't tell me! I'm a dangerous man when I don't know what I'm doing. Optimus Prime: Megatron must be stopped. No matter the cost! Godzilla: Rawr! Checkout my fan blog if you dare ... A Lone Fan Crying In The Wilderness
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gene phillips		#42	[-]
May 5 12 2:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Joe Karlosi wrote: Robert Troch wrote: they finally got the Hulk right, I saw it today and I would have to disagree with that (and this for the third time). Still they had him as a mostly-mute, brute, savage monster looking to destroy everyone in his path, and I just don't like that limited interpretation of ol' Greenskin. I was a loyal fan of collecting the INCREDIBLE HULK comics from the '60s up to about 1990 and the Hulk was an endearing lost soul who made friends, spoke dialogue, and who did not usually get violent until he was first persecuted or attacked. I know that at some point in the late '70s they had Hulk RROAARRRIINNG and GRRRRROWLING like some mindless mad beast for a time, but the character actually was capable of some real heart and depth when they rendered him more like the poor Frankenstein Monster who met the blind hermit. And every time I saw Hulk amidst the other superheroes in the movie, his being a CGI cartoon called attention to itself and sometimes compromised got in my way. As for the rest of the movie -- "pretty good", I'd say. Personally, I've overdosed on too much of this superhero business. But I was mainly curious to see how they would manage to include so many different superstars into the story and have it make sense... and for the most part I think they accomplished that. It's just that all this sort of thing does start to feel like "rinse and repeat" after so long. I know that comedy was always a part of the Marvel characters to some degree, but I did feel that there was just a little too much here at times. I'd like to ask fans in the know --- I realize that Spidey was always famous for his wisecracks and one-liners, but was Tony Stark that way in the comics? Robert Downey Jr. (who I always felt made a respectable looking IRON MAN) is a real clown in these. Was this true to the Anthony Stark in the true Marvel Universe? Movie felt a little too long again (par for the course I guess). But it wasn't bad. I'd agree that the Hulk of the movies is mostly a growling brute because that's what he was in the TV series. I don't think "Hulk smash" dialogue would have worked in the series and I'm more or less comfortable with Hulk having very limited dialogue in the movies. I give Whedon this, his takes on famous Hulk lines like "Hulk smash" and "puny human." Tony Stark in 1960s comics was usually Mr. Sobersides, tending only to break out the quips in battle because that was something most heroes did. Lee and Goodwin usually wrote the quips to be a little more dry than, say, Spidey's jokes. But in any case the movies changed the Stark persona into that of a justiably-egotistical motormouth, so there's not much connection with the original Stark persona. My niece had a funny reaction to the scene between Stark and Rogers. I didn't notice anything untoward, but she thought that Rogers continually touched Stark and thought it looked a little "gay." I guess I'll look at it again, but I assume it was just macho posturing. NATURALISTIC! UNCANNY! MARVELOUS!
gene phillips		#43	[-]
May 5 12 2:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I enjoyed it quite a bit, though it's a little too 'busy' to go on my best-20 superhero-film list. (Best 50, sure.) X2 had as many characters and plotlines to keep stable as AVENGERS did and managed to keep all the dishes balanced with a bit more style. Of course, X-MEN had from its earliest incarnation a little more of a theme than the AVENGERS comic, which was usually just a standard "superheroes vs. supermenaces" schtick modeled after JUSTICE LEAGUE. I missed the unveiling of the next villain when I left early. I wish they'd do a big "heroes vs. villains" convocation. That's one of the best things about the Disney XD series: seeing the intermixing of classic heroes and villains but in new continuities. NATURALISTIC! UNCANNY! MARVELOUS!
Jeff Mclachlan		#44	[-]
May 5 12 3:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think The Avengers is actually the first superhero movie to come out that is more plot than character oriented. And good---I think that's the next stage of superhero movies, i.e, being able to do a story with superheroes in it, as opposed to a character journey with a story wrapped around it. I mean, I'm not saying The Avengers is particularly complex, but it's probably got more going on plot-wise than your average alien invasion or disaster movie. Maybe because it's both of those at once, with a James Bond movie thrown in for good measure. In fact, if I was trying to sell the movie to someone I'd just describe it as "everything you've ever loved, all at once and bigger."
Jeff Mclachlan		#45	[-]
May 5 12 3:49 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	gene phillips wrote: I enjoyed it quite a bit, though it's a little too 'busy' to go on my best-20 superhero-film list. (Best 50, sure.) Have there even been fifty superhero movies?
Carl Eyesnheart		#46	[-]
May 5 12 3:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	gene phillips wrote: I enjoyed it quite a bit, though it's a little too 'busy' to go on my best-20 superhero-film list. (Best 50, sure.) X2 had as many characters and plotlines to keep stable as AVENGERS did and managed to keep all the dishes balanced with a bit more style. Of course, X-MEN had from its earliest incarnation a little more of a theme than the AVENGERS comic, which was usually just a standard "superheroes vs. supermenaces" schtick modeled after JUSTICE LEAGUE. I missed the unveiling of the next villain when I left early. I wish they'd do a big "heroes vs. villains" convocation. That's one of the best things about the Disney XD series: seeing the intermixing of classic heroes and villains but in new continuities. It doesn't even land in your Top 20!?! Good Lord man, in my world that would mean I hated the film and could find almost nothing positive to say about it. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
creepycrawley		#47	[-]
May 5 12 4:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just got back from seeing and thought it was great. I really enjoyed it So did the family. Thought they got the who Banner/Hulk dynamics pretty well and am not that upset that he didn't talk, at least he seemed to understand what was going on around him. Also loved the battles between each of the individual characters. Loved the BIG reveal during the credits.
Jeff Mclachlan		#48	[-]
May 5 12 4:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	gene phillips wrote: I enjoyed it quite a bit, though it's a little too 'busy' to go on my best-20 superhero-film list. (Best 50, sure.) X2 had as many characters and plotlines to keep stable as AVENGERS did and managed to keep all the dishes balanced with a bit more style. Of course, X-MEN had from its earliest incarnation a little more of a theme than the AVENGERS comic, which was usually just a standard "superheroes vs. supermenaces" schtick modeled after JUSTICE LEAGUE. I missed the unveiling of the next villain when I left early. I wish they'd do a big "heroes vs. villains" convocation. That's one of the best things about the Disney XD series: seeing the intermixing of classic heroes and villains but in new continuities. I like the first two X-Men movies a lot, but I don't if I can go back to them after getting used to the Marvel movies of the last few years. The obvious cost-cutting really bothers me now, and I really hate the Vancouver-itis of X2 in particular. Avengers has a fight in a forest, but at least it doesn't look like they were waiting for the cast of Stargate SG-1 to be done before they could shoot it.
Joe Karlosi		#49	[-]
May 5 12 4:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	gene phillips wrote: I'd agree that the Hulk of the movies is mostly a growling brute because that's what he was in the TV series. I don't think "Hulk smash" dialogue would have worked in the series and I'm more or less comfortable with Hulk having very limited dialogue in the movies. I give Whedon this, his takes on famous Hulk lines like "Hulk smash" and "puny human." I do think the old TV series is what really ruined the image of The Hulk in people's minds. I guess they can only relate to him as a roaring monster. It's a pity, because there are really so many more avenues to open (in the Hulk's own series I mean) if they gave him more to do and say. But it does not mean the Hulk has to recite Lincoln's Gettysburg Address or become a jabberjaw who won't shaddap. But he can say a lot more than "Hulk Smash (it was usually "Hulk Will Smash!" in the comics) or "puny human" (or some variant of those two words). Besides, they already used the "puny" line in that first disappointing Ang Lee movie. Tony Stark in 1960s comics was usually Mr. Sobersides, tending only to break out the quips in battle because that was something most heroes did. Lee and Goodwin usually wrote the quips to be a little more dry than, say, Spidey's jokes. But in any case the movies changed the Stark persona into that of a justiably-egotistical motormouth, so there's not much connection with the original Stark persona. Thanks for clearing that up for me. "Guy named Squeamy got thrown from the fifth floor. He's deader'n a mackerel."
stuthehistoryguy		#50	[-]
May 5 12 4:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	1. Truth be told, Ruffalo reminded me more of Tim Robbins than anyone. 2. There is a scene where Banner rides up on a battered motorcycle. Is this an allusion to anything. Spoiler [+] 3. Loved the Harry Dean Stanton cameo. 4. One thing that didn't ring true to me, even in the context of a fantasy film, was the idea that a nuclear missile could so devastate the invading mothership. It's a small quibble, but it did take me out of things a bit. Great movie.
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delgadosaur		#51	[-]
May 5 12 5:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Soooo, Hate to bring this up, but if the robed bad guy alien could send Loki to Earth, then why not just cut him out of the deal and send the army yourself? Does that make sense? I liked it, but the thought occurred to me today.
Badfinger		#52	[-]
May 5 12 5:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	tonyrivers wrote: First I'm more of a DC fan than a Marvel one, and more a fan of one superhero in a movie than teams like X-MEN or Avengers or even the JLA. So my thoughts on the Avengers movie wont be as good as some others here. To be honest I thought it was good but not great. I had problems with a few things. First, in the THOR movie there was supposed to be no way for Thor to return to Earth that anyone on Asgard would think of. ANd yet here was Thor again on Earth and the explanation was a throw-away line that sounded like a rather weak explanation. It wasn't a throw away line. Odin transported Thor to Earth. Loki's "throw away line" made it clear that it would have taken all of Odins dark magic to do this. It was also made clear that Thor had no means to return home without the power of the cube. I can't see how anyone could have a problem with this unless they are looking for problems. A great touch, in that scene, is two ravens flying by while Thor and Loki spoke. People familiar with Norse mythology will understand the meaning. The rest of you can google it. tonyrivers wrote: Second was the two appearances of the Hulk. First time Banner "Hulks-out" he attacks Black Widow and anyone in his way; yet the second time he seems to be in control and only attacks Loki and the enemy and seems to act as part of the Avengers team, even obeying Captain America's "Hulk Smash" order. And he catches Iron Man when he falls after flying the bomb into the portal to close it......more for the crowd in the theate to cheer rather than for any reasonable explanation. I don't recall the Hulk from the TV series or the other 2 Hulk films acting rational. When Banner becomes the Hulk, he's more or less out of control and will smash anything or person in his way (and hopes he didn't hurt anyone when he returns to normal). Banner/Hulk was being influenced by Loki on the Helicarrier (as were the other Avengers). This was why he was completely out of control. This was made pretty obvious. It was sort of a homage to 1st issue of the comic. Your memory is incredibly faulty regarding the previous Hulk film incarnations. tonyrivers wrote: Yes it'll make tons of money but so did Titanic and Avatar. I thought JOHN CARTER, which bombed at the box office, was a better movie. I loved JOHN CARTER as well. I loved THE AVENGERS even more.
Badfinger		#53	[-]
May 5 12 6:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	delgadosaur wrote: Soooo, Hate to bring this up, but if the robed bad guy alien could send Loki to Earth, then why not just cut him out of the deal and send the army yourself? Does that make sense? I liked it, but the thought occurred to me today. Obviously, ------ could send Loki to Earth but couldn't open a portal to send an entire army. That's why Loki came over, got the materials and power needed to channel the cube in order to open said portal. Last Edited By: taraco May 5 12 6:26 PM. Edited 1 times.
luluthebeast		#54	[-]
May 5 12 6:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	delgadosaur wrote: Soooo, Hate to bring this up, but if the robed bad guy alien could send Loki to Earth, then why not just cut him out of the deal and send the army yourself? Does that make sense? I liked it, but the thought occurred to me today. I also think -------- did it to test Earth's defences without getting his hair mussed. Last Edited By: taraco May 5 12 7:22 PM. Edited 1 times.
RKS		#55	[-]
May 5 12 7:03 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I loved it!! Saw it Thurs at midnight in 3d and though it was great. Best superhero movie ever. I have never been a comic book guy but this was as fun as a movie I have seen in forever. Stay past the end titles! Excuse me......You want me to do what with my what now?
flashback		#56	[-]
May 5 12 7:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	i am all set to see it tommrow. i took my captian america t-shirt out of my closet to wear to the theater when i see it.
taraco		#57	[-]
May 5 12 7:23 PM Burgomaster Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No needless spoilers, please. The first weekend isn't even done yet. Thanks. david
luluthebeast		#58	[-]
May 5 12 7:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ah, it was you who did that David. I figured I've seen his name spread all over other boards so it would be OK. Sorry.
davlghry		#59	[-]
May 5 12 8:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Saw it this afternoon. Lots of fun. I felt all the characters got adequate screen time and the final moment after the entire credits were over was priceless.
Carl Eyesnheart		#60	[-]
May 5 12 8:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Badfinger wrote: tonyrivers wrote: First I'm more of a DC fan than a Marvel one, and more a fan of one superhero in a movie than teams like X-MEN or Avengers or even the JLA. So my thoughts on the Avengers movie wont be as good as some others here. To be honest I thought it was good but not great. I had problems with a few things. First, in the THOR movie there was supposed to be no way for Thor to return to Earth that anyone on Asgard would think of. ANd yet here was Thor again on Earth and the explanation was a throw-away line that sounded like a rather weak explanation. It wasn't a throw away line. Odin transported Thor to Earth. Loki's "throw away line" made it clear that it would have taken all of Odins dark magic to do this. It was also made clear that Thor had no means to return home without the power of the cube. I can't see how anyone could have a problem with this unless they are looking for problems. A great touch, in that scene, is two ravens flying by while Thor and Loki spoke. People familiar with Norse mythology will understand the meaning. The rest of you can google it. tonyrivers wrote: Second was the two appearances of the Hulk. First time Banner "Hulks-out" he attacks Black Widow and anyone in his way; yet the second time he seems to be in control and only attacks Loki and the enemy and seems to act as part of the Avengers team, even obeying Captain America's "Hulk Smash" order. And he catches Iron Man when he falls after flying the bomb into the portal to close it......more for the crowd in the theate to cheer rather than for any reasonable explanation. I don't recall the Hulk from the TV series or the other 2 Hulk films acting rational. When Banner becomes the Hulk, he's more or less out of control and will smash anything or person in his way (and hopes he didn't hurt anyone when he returns to normal). Banner/Hulk was being influenced by Loki on the Helicarrier (as were the other Avengers). This was why he was completely out of control. This was made pretty obvious. It was sort of a homage to 1st issue of the comic. Your memory is incredibly faulty regarding the previous Hulk film incarnations. tonyrivers wrote: Yes it'll make tons of money but so did Titanic and Avatar. I thought JOHN CARTER, which bombed at the box office, was a better movie. I loved JOHN CARTER as well. I loved THE AVENGERS even more. Plus, even if Hulk was a bit of a loose cannon in the first films, wasn't part of the reason for his being in seclusion was for Banner to learn how to control Hulk? IMO it makes sense that Banner gets the creature under more control over time. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
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