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coveoftheblindfisherman	NO SPIDER PIT SCENE EVER FILMED....AND MORE!	Lead	[-]
Apr 10 12 12:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING BOUT THE LOG SEQUENCE THAT I NEVER NOTICED BEFORE~WHEN YOU VIEW ALL THE SCENES DOWN IN THE PIT, WHERE THE MEN ARE FALLING, A LARGE ROCK IS POSITIONED AT THE BOTTOM LEFT PART OF THE SCENE...WHEN KONG SHAKES THE LAST MAN OFF, YOU SUDDENLY SEE A DIFFERENT ANGLE OF THE "PIT" AND THE LARGE ROCK IS NOW MUCH MORE TO THE RIGHT THAN IN ALL THE OTHER SCENES~ ALSO , YOU NEVER SEE THAT LAST GUY COME DOWN...YOU HEAR HIM SCREAM BUT YOU CANNOT SEE HIM, INSTEAD, THE GIANT LOG HITS A SAILOR ALREADY ON THE BOTTOM AND SENDS HIM HURLING(SLIDING) OFF TO THE FAR LEFT AND DOWN INTO ANOTHER AREA AND OUT OF SITE~ I HATE TO SAY IT BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE "SPIDER PIT" SEQUENCE WAS EVER EVEN FILMED~IN THE SCRIPT...PLANNED...SET-UP, ECT...YES, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT!...JUST MY OPINION, NO OFFENSE INTENDED, NON TAKEN....NO HAIRYBACKS PLEASE!!!!! BEST, ED Last Edited By: coveoftheblindfisherman Apr 10 12 12:13 PM. Edited 3 times.
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Ted Newsom		#1	[-]
Apr 10 12 2:03 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes, I see the deductive reasoning there. And I noticed that Kong roars when he first sees Fay Wray, but he pulls the vine up when she's trying to get away with Bruce Cabot. I think that proves that Kong was bigger when he crushed the El train in New York. No offense to George Turner.
G Vallejo		#2	[-]
Apr 10 12 5:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The scene at the bottom of the chasm does not have the rock in a different position. The film is reversed, that's all. And all the scenes with the falling sailors were filmed after the spider scene was cut from the film (after Cooper's first rough cut, according to Goldner/Turner), and so nothing in those scenes has anything to do with the scene. None of these things rules out the possibility that it was filmed. A perfect Monster has no end... Last Edited By: G Vallejo Apr 10 12 5:35 PM. Edited 1 times.
acker j forestman		#3	[-]
Apr 11 12 12:38 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Gee, I guess everyone connected with the production of the film (Cooper, O'Brien, Delgado, Steiner, etc.) who said the spider pit sequence was filmed were just liars, right?
Azazel.shoguntotalwar		#4	[-]
Apr 11 12 2:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I can't help thinking that, given the incalculable amount of time spent discussing the missing spider pit scene, if it ever actually turned up it would be one of the biggest anti-climaxes imaginable.
Wich2		#5	[-]
Apr 11 12 10:07 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Second only to the corny yawner that LAM might well turn out to be!
BijouBob8mm		#6	[-]
Apr 11 12 10:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This was covered in another thread but seems to have gone unnoticed here: In his e-book, Jim Danforth talks about Orville Beckett showing him stills taken from the live-action Dunning shots for the spider pit scene when the two men were at Film Effects of Hollywood. (Beckett had worked on KONG early in his career.) Don't know if there was any spider pit animation photographed (although the models were obviously built), but those photos indicate at least a portion of the sequence actually went before the cameras.
HalLane		#7	[-]
Apr 11 12 2:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Good point there, Bob. And as I understand the Dunning process, there's really no point in filming live action if there's no animation existing to bi-pack it with, assuming the spiders were created early in the shoot (the optical printer wasn't quite there yet at the beginning). So yeah, Repto Ergo Sum -- I Crawl Therefore I Am.
delgadosaur		#8	[-]
Apr 11 12 4:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	From an animation standpoint, I've seen a few too many stills that are from set ups from that scene to think that at least some footage was shot, if not a wide master.
JadeExecutioner		#9	[-]
Apr 11 12 4:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What I always wondered is how come the Kong test reel vanished while footage from Creation survived. A side question to you knowledgeable gentlemen here about this: did the whole Creation footage survived, or just the tiny bits shown on the DVD bonus (plus that extra part in the Argentinian doco?)? And is there a history of how it went through the years? Wouldn't it seem logical to think the Kong test reel would have followed the same route?
JadeExecutioner		#10	[-]
Apr 11 12 4:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Delgadosaur said : "From an animation standpoint, I've seen a few too many stills that are from set ups from that scene to think that at least some footage was shot, if not a wide master. " Yes. But then these men recycle elements from Creation, they shoot two films on the same set, later they revamp the models from Kong for Son of Kong, they always seem to think so cleverly and tightly in terms of time and cost but they would just throw away what seem to be a technically difficult sequence and never recycle any of it at all in Son of Kong? That always seemed strange to me. Or because it would have been too scary for the more childish tone of the sequel, then? Last Edited By: JadeExecutioner Apr 11 12 4:54 PM. Edited 1 times.
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acker j forestman		#11	[-]
Apr 11 12 8:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	RKO routinely destroyed unused footage from their movies. For example, it is well documented when nearly one hour of footage cut from Orson Welles' MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS was incinerated, and who carried out this task. The spider pit sequence probably met the same fate, unfortunately.
Rick		#12	[-]
Apr 11 12 8:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's probably true that RKO, and most studios, routinely threw footage out in routine house-cleaning, and likely that the spider pit footage went that way. But this... it is well documented when nearly one hour of footage cut from Orson Welles' MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS was incinerated, and who carried out this task. ...is not a good example. The destruction of the AMBERSONS footage was a specific, intentional, and downright vituperative event. Charles Koerner promised "entertainment not genius" and that meant No Welles. Most likely the direct reason for the AMBERSONS bonfire was to demonstrate this point, and to prevent Welles from ever finishing the movie he intended. This was the furthest thing from simple house-cleaning. The probable destruction of the spider pit footage was nothing like that. Welles was an outcast and a pariah. Cooper was The Man. So, yeah, the footage probably got toasted, but not garnished with the animus with which the Welles celluloid burned.
The Giant Pacific Octopus		#13	[-]
Apr 11 12 9:11 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	JadeExecutioner wrote: did the whole Creation footage survived, or just the tiny bits shown on the DVD bonus Apparently the scene where the yacht is shipwrecked on the island was filmed but became lost. The entire scene of the mother Triceratops chasing the sailor was filmed including her pushing a tree down on top of him and goring him to death with her horn. That portion of the scene was cut from the Creation test reel and inserted into the King Kong test reel (this is covered in Goldner's book). That was supposed to be the tail end of Kong battling the 3 Triceratops'. Kong kills two and the third flees. The third chasing down one of the sailors and goring him. When the entire Triceratops scene was jettisoned, that sequence was cut as well and was never returned to the Creation footage which is why it remains lost as is the rest of the unused test reel footage (ie the spider pit). There are some shots of the Arsimotherium chasing the Chilean sailors onto the log bridge but it isn't known if the sequence was filmed or just a set up shot. (plus that extra part in the Argentinian doco?)? What was the extra part? I don't remember that doc. The Catch of the Day!
JadeExecutioner		#14	[-]
Apr 12 12 3:54 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote: (plus that extra part in the Argentinian doco?) What was the extra part? I don't remember that doc. I think someone linked to it here, it's on Youtube, an 80s documentary on stop motion where there are a few seconds more of the man chased by the Triceratops than in the last edition DVD bonus. Thanks for your answer. I read Goldner's book too, and what you point is something that seemed amazing to me when i read it : "That portion of the scene (the mother Triceratops) was cut from the Creation test reel and inserted into the King Kong test reel"... "and was not reinserted back into the Creation test footage". And so is now lost. Does it mean that for the Kong test reel they would have edited into the one and only workprint of the Creation footage? Does it seem coherent with the practice at the time? And so then it means that the only surviving Creation footage is what is available for the public? Just these fragments? I really wonder how it managed to survive and where it was kept all this time.
BijouBob8mm		#15	[-]
Apr 12 12 10:08 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	did the whole Creation footage survived, or just the tiny bits shown on the DVD bonus Seems like some of the storm sequence, which causes the landmass to surface, was also shot. (In addition to the bits listed in previous posts.)
JadeExecutioner		#16	[-]
Apr 12 12 10:25 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote: (plus that extra part in the Argentinian doco?)? What was the extra part? I don't remember that doc. It's this clip.
coveoftheblindfisherman		#17	[-]
Apr 12 12 12:08 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	YES MY FRIEND, OF COURSE YOU ARE RIGHT....IN HASTE, I COMBINED TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHTS~ALTHOUGH I HAVE ALWAYS CONTENDED THAT THE "SPIDER" SCENE WAS NEVER FILMED, THIS WAS JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO MY OBSERVATION OF THE "LOG" SCENE... NOT INTENDING TO SUM UP THE TWO OR IMPLY ANY CONNECTION~ BEST, ED
Ted Newsom		#18	[-]
Apr 12 12 12:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't see anything unfamiliar in the CREATION part of that Argentinian thing. It's trimmed, that's for sure: the chimp and, I think, a parrot or something is clipped out.
BijouBob8mm		#19	[-]
Apr 12 12 12:41 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Mystery of the Purloined Parrot....
JadeExecutioner		#20	[-]
Apr 12 12 2:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	A few seconds more of the dying baby triceratops, no?
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