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Joe Karlosi		#301	[-]
May 3 12 2:19 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You screw around with those and they're gonna blow up. "Guy named Squeamy got thrown from the fifth floor. He's deader'n a mackerel."
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Victor Frankenstein		#302	[-]
May 3 12 2:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Irony is that if the "fixes" they are doing that everyone is complaining about, were done without anyone knowing, then they'd be done and no one would say a peep. See what I'm sayin ? LOL
CapnDunsel		#303	[-]
May 3 12 2:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I also think a good Clark Gable imitator should dub in a better curse for Rhett Butler's "Frankly Scarlet I dont give a damn." Isnt it about time for that?? Rakshasa wrote: I'm assuming you're kidding, Cap - - if I'm not, you can hang me up by my Buster Browns! Returning to visual improvements, how about a cgi spider added to Mother Bates' skull at the end of the original "Psycho" as Hitch envisioned?
HalLane		#304	[-]
May 3 12 3:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't know what a packy run is, but I'm going to make one during the commercial. That scene happydude describes really IS my favorite one. I love the way the overcast sky builds the tension. Or did.
CapnDunsel		#305	[-]
May 3 12 5:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	in some states a liquor store is called a package store. Going out on a "packy run" meant going to the package store for more beer or what have you. Last Edited By: CapnDunsel May 3 12 5:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
HalLane		#306	[-]
May 3 12 5:28 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm there.
Stuart4th		#307	[-]
May 3 12 8:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I noticed BLUES BROTHERS 2000 has joined Universal's 100th Anniversary line-up. Glad they're sticking with the really classic titles of great artistic merit. Stuart Galbraith IV's CINEBLOGARAMA
Uncle Bingo		#308	[-]
May 11 12 3:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	With the poor quality of the Universal Legacy series, they should offer a discount on the Blu Rays (AT LEAST) to those that can provide a "proof of purchase." Half the discs don't even work! Nothing like getting all excited to see a classic you might have missed and have your DVD/Blu Ray player puke it out at you. Kudos to FOX for getting ALIEN right. That is how a BLU RAY should look. It was like seeing the movie for the first damn time! I was blown away at the detail.
bgart13.thelatarniaforums		#309	[-]
May 11 12 4:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, one could argue Fox screwed ALIEN up since is was zoomed/cropped... Kundun Rat Terrier: 8/16/02 - 3/26/11. RIP, Ku.
Paul Denham		#310	[-]
May 11 12 7:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Uncle Bingo wrote: Kudos to FOX for getting ALIEN right. That is how a BLU RAY should look. It was like seeing the movie for the first damn time! I was blown away at the detail. Oh GOD NO. I will happily take a little DNR scrubbing on Jaws if it means I don't have to see it get a ridiculous teal and orange overhaul the way the original Alien did. That film, which used to be lauded for it's visuals, is damn near unwatchable to me on Bd now thanks to that retrofitted nonsense.
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dracsback		#311	[-]
May 13 12 3:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Anyone have BEFORE and AFTER screenshots of the retofitted nonsense of the ALIEN BD? I was going to get this but now I am wondering... "I saw what I saw when I saw it!"
bgart13.thelatarniaforums		#312	[-]
May 13 12 3:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't recall there being an issue with the color timing (nor do I see one in the link) of ALIEN, but here ya go: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare2/alien.htm Kundun Rat Terrier: 8/16/02 - 3/26/11. RIP, Ku.
Paul Denham		#313	[-]
May 13 12 6:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Probably 95% of the people who watch this won't have a problem with it. Sometimes, as in the case of most of the caps the Beaver is using, the distinction is subtle. In some cases it stands out and really calls attention to itself. It's interesting that he uses no exterior shots of the ship as this is one area where the difference is very dramatic. Scott is on record as saying the timing of the first , original DVD release is the way this film was intended to look, and it's the timing that matches the original theatrical look of the film. Colors, especially blues and greys and, lean to the warmer magenta/purplish side of the spectrum. On the Bd, most of the colors are hyped up (compare the space suits as they walk around the Space Jockey) and blue and greys now lean in the opposite direction towards green. The ship exteriors, which used to look naturally industrial and steel-like, now are bathed in deep blue/greens- presumably this makes them look more 'sci-fi' for many people, to me it just looks aggressively artificial. The changes are subtle in shot to shot, but at the same time, the aggregate effect is profound since it is 'off' to various degrees throughout the whole film. Also the blacks are crushed, creating images that 'pop', but it's another cheap , cartoony effect imposed on the material , and the trade off becomes a lack of any subtlety and nuance in the shadows. As someone who can't stand the teal and orange trend- seeing this creep in even just a little bit to a classic movie is a big letdown. Between the pumped up colors, the changes in the bias of complimentary hues, and the jacked up contrast, the film rarely looks simply natural- which had always been one of it visual strengths. YMMV- which is to say most people won't notice at all. But the changes are there and are often enough, not very subtle.
bgart13.thelatarniaforums		#314	[-]
May 13 12 6:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Considering Ridley Scott was fully involved with ALIEN since these quadrilogy sets have been released, he doesn't have a lot room to complain -- unless the movie was tinkered with after he signed off on whatever work he was able to sign off on. Kundun Rat Terrier: 8/16/02 - 3/26/11. RIP, Ku.
Paul Denham		#315	[-]
May 13 12 7:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That's the problem for someone like me- Ridley has gone and done this to all his films on Bd . It's by his hand they look like this now. They all have a teal/orange bias. The natural look of blue denim and blue skies in Thelma and Louise has been shifted and skies and blue denim all lean towards teal. UGH! Nothing says phony and unrealistic like a teal atmosphere . It's a joke at this point because it's such a cliche- but he keeps imposing this on all his films. Blade Runner used to have plenty of warm earth tones in many scenes- no more. You may get a better idea of the extent of the changes made to Alien by looking at The BR comparison because of the choice of shots Beaver uses on that one. Hell, for that matter this is about the extent of the difference in the natural look of T&L, compared to the new Blu-ray as well. I think the only classic film of his that might have escaped this is Legend - and that would have been because Universal 'cheaped' out and didn't have him oversee it. Par for the course I guess with 70s auteurs and the representation of their films in the 21st century. It seems like they all need to feel relevant again, so they latch on to the latest fad and impose that on aged classic. So what hope is there that the film will get a 'natural' remastering consistent with how it looked in it's original theatrical release when the director signs off on this revisionist look? And if people complain about DNR taking away the "natural" look of film, how much difference is there when new color grading makes it look just as artificial just in a different way? It might be one thing if scenes were color timed independently (and globally) to be cooler or warmer- but that's not why Teal & Orange is such an obnoxious trend. It's because these complimentary shadings can't really exist within the same shot without there being artificial manipulation. Last Edited By: Paul Denham May 13 12 7:36 PM. Edited 2 times.
Koukol 5		#316	[-]
May 13 12 9:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Paul Denham wrote: That's the problem for someone like me- Ridley has gone and done this to all his films on Bd . It's by his hand they look like this now. They all have a teal/orange bias. The natural look of blue denim and blue skies in Thelma and Louise has been shifted and skies and blue denim all lean towards teal. UGH! Nothing says phony and unrealistic like a teal atmosphere . It's a joke at this point because it's such a cliche- but he keeps imposing this on all his films. Blade Runner used to have plenty of warm earth tones in many scenes- no more. You may get a better idea of the extent of the changes made to Alien by looking at The BR comparison because of the choice of shots Beaver uses on that one. Hell, for that matter this is about the extent of the difference in the natural look of T&L, compared to the new Blu-ray as well. I think the only classic film of his that might have escaped this is Legend - and that would have been because Universal 'cheaped' out and didn't have him oversee it. Par for the course I guess with 70s auteurs and the representation of their films in the 21st century. It seems like they all need to feel relevant again, so they latch on to the latest fad and impose that on aged classic. So what hope is there that the film will get a 'natural' remastering consistent with how it looked in it's original theatrical release when the director signs off on this revisionist look? And if people complain about DNR taking away the "natural" look of film, how much difference is there when new color grading makes it look just as artificial just in a different way? It might be one thing if scenes were color timed independently (and globally) to be cooler or warmer- but that's not why Teal & Orange is such an obnoxious trend. It's because these complimentary shadings can't really exist within the same shot without there being artificial manipulation. When I watched the BD I thought the colours were a little drained...but only slightly. Just watch...In five years, when this colour trend is over...they'll put these films out again with the colours returned to the original theatrical presentations. They'll use the correction as a reason to re-buy.
dracsback		#317	[-]
May 14 12 2:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Based upon Beaver's shots - no pun there guys - it looks pertty good to me and I don't know if I would even notice the "teal" issue that much - figuring that this was the way Ridley wanted it prior to releasing on BD. It's not as though he's CG'd the ALIEN in there or added JAR JAR BINKS or changed/added dialogue. I wouldn't say that he's Georged ALIEN. But I understand the desire to keep it as close to the original theatrical release version. I just don't know that I would notice given that I haven't seen it in a theater in 33 years. Only on VHS or TV or cable since then. The BD looks nice - to me. "I saw what I saw when I saw it!"
dracsback		#318	[-]
Jun 15 12 10:56 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Update- I picked up ALIEN on BD at Target for $14.99. Important viewing with my daughter before we see PROMETHEUS this weekend. The BluRay is awesome and looks really great on my 64" Plasma. For me, the issues pointed out earlier - well - I just don't see it. Great movie and a great BluRay. "I saw what I saw when I saw it!"
EDITOR MFTV		#319	[-]
Jun 28 12 6:15 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Look for an official announcement from Universal today in regards to the BD box set of horror/sci-fi classics coming this fall. Jim Clatterbaugh Editor/Publisher MFTV www.monstersfromthevault.com
SAM33		#320	[-]
Jun 28 12 6:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I saw ALIEN on original release 4 times, and to me the BD recreates the theatrical experience I recall very satisfyingly. Always remember that the device you view on and its calibration are very big factors here as regards color bias. It's DVNR and the like that can't be compensated for on your system at all and make me nuts. And that's of course the fear for the Universal Classics. Keeping my fingers crossed. SAM33
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