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DerGolem	Sherlock Holmes: A Game Of Shadows - Offical Thread, Now Showing Trailer 2!!!	Lead	[-]
Jul 12 11 10:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is the Second trailer for Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows.... The First trailer is now below it Last Edited By: DerGolem Oct 19 11 3:56 PM. Edited 5 times.
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rogueevolent		#1	[-]
Jul 12 11 11:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	annoyingly bombastic music, ACD's icon in drag, and action scenes that make me think I'm watching a trailer for the newest Bond flick... what the deuce... (this is for you too Richard, of the banned ones)..... Robert Downey Jr. IS NOT SHERLOCK HOLMES!!! - harumph (aka Jay) "We didn't come here to fight monsters, we're not equipped for it" -- Richard Carlson (Creature from the Black Lagoon)
Wich2		#2	[-]
Jul 13 11 10:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well Jay, you know that though I might not poison the barb quite so much as Richard did, I am of that camp, too.
clore103051		#3	[-]
Jul 13 11 10:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm not the least bit interested. I barely made it through the first film, I'll bet that there are claw marks on the arms of the seat that I was sitting in.
MacXoftheMounted		#4	[-]
Jul 13 11 11:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Man, do I HATE that bullet-time crap. This looks like every sequel these days... I have every reason not to see this and only 2 to actually go (well, three if you count my wife's love for the first one)... Downey's always entertaining, and I'm curious to see Noomi Rapace in an english language film. Other than that, I'll let the words of the inimitable Tom Weaver speak for me... "Pffft!" MacXoftheMounted.....................formerly known as Professor Von X
Wich2		#5	[-]
Jul 13 11 1:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That's just it, Mac - as I've said many times, I'm usually a real fan of Downey's work. I just agree with Jay above (and Domenick in the main thread nearby) that the conception of Holmes, inside and outside, by writer, director, & actor, is Off.
DerGolem		#6	[-]
Jul 13 11 2:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: I just agree with Jay above (and Domenick in the main thread nearby) that the conception of Holmes, inside and outside, by writer, director, & actor, is Off. And still want someone to explain to me on what basis is Ritchie and Downey Jr.'s depiction of Holmes "Off." I've read the ACD short stories and novels, own all of them, and what I saw in first Ritchie/Downey Jr. movie is what I saw in those books. And yes the trailer for A Game of Shadows is pretty much all action, but its a trailer and it has to sell the movie. We probably just saw all the action scenes there are going to be in this second film in that trailer.
Wich2		#7	[-]
Jul 13 11 2:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There are long threads hereabouts laying out this case on both sides, Justin. It will never be resolved, because much of it is opinion - but it's all there, both sides of it. No mystery here. As for our experiences with the character, I've read all of Doyle, and a great deal of pastiche; have seen much of the filmed canon, and heard much of the audio canon; have dramatised some of the stories myself; and have played Holmes on Stage and Radio. From my perspective, I think there HAS been a wondrous "freshening" (though gad, that word can carry bad freight...) of the character in the last couple of years - and it's the Brit TVer, not the Downey film. Last Edited By: Wich2 Jul 13 11 2:53 PM. Edited 3 times.
DerGolem		#8	[-]
Jul 13 11 3:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	^ Fair enough Craig. I just mean that I have read those threads and have yet to hear a good argument as to why Ritchie/Downey Jr.'s interpretation of Holmes is wrong or "Off." It does seem to come down very much to not so much opinion but interpretation. Certain people see certain things when they read a short story or book. When I read ACD I see something very close to what Ritchie showed us. But I understand if others don't see that. But if that's the case I don't think you can necessarily say that Ritchie's portrayal is wrong or "Off" if it is all based on interpretation.
Wich2		#9	[-]
Jul 13 11 4:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	On the Internals, I largely agree with you; as I said above, "much of it is opinion." And as I have said here before, I grant that on the Internal level, Downey's Holmes has some merit. But on the Externals, I lean less on my feelings, and more on the originator's descriptions. And there, I think "The Downey Version" falls pretty woefully short of the mark. The actor is miscast on that front; and worse, neither he nor the production do anything to counter that fact - quite the opposite. Yes, I know... to some people, caring about the physical look of such a character is provincial, or quaint, or small-minded, or some perjorative or other. But as an actor myself, I was taught that that factor counts, too. And it is what the audience sees.
Lawrence Nepodahl		#10	[-]
Jul 13 11 9:49 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	All I can say is- WHY? Indiana Holmes Strikes Again, should be its title.
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sirharryflashman		#11	[-]
Jul 14 11 9:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I liked the first film well enough, but have to say that this trailer is doing nothing for me. By the way, DerGolem, any chance you could rename this thread just 'Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows'? That way we've got just one thread for this movie as things develop. Cheers, Charles Prepolec Gaslight Grimoire Blog: News, Interviews and Updates Sherlock Holmes News: Sherlock Holmes in Films, Books and Media Last Edited By: sirharryflashman Jul 14 11 9:03 PM. Edited 1 times.
Omega Man		#12	[-]
Jul 15 11 8:34 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I like the look of the production design, the costumes and the weaponry... and I enjoyed Jude Law's Watson in the first film. * Will probably catch this one on HBO. * Especially in comparison to the fumbling, doddering idiot portrayed by Nigel Bruce in the Rathbone films. Probably heresy around these parts, I know, but that's how I feel. "Dammit, it's jammed!" www.eccentric-cinema.com
Wich2		#13	[-]
Jul 15 11 1:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	OM, I'm pretty much with you on The Bruce Question. Yeah, Willie could be a charming ham - but his patented schtick is not Dr. John H. Watson. (And the p*sser is that, when reined in by the director as he was in HOUND, he COULD have played it right!) I agree that Law was solid. Some others that have hit the mark best for me include Hardwicke, Burke, Morrell, and - though a bit too apoplectic - Blakely. Last Edited By: Wich2 Jul 18 11 8:49 AM. Edited 1 times.
jjonathanbarnett		#14	[-]
Jul 16 11 12:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I like Nigel Bruce and such but his stupidity was done to make rathbone/Holmes look smarter. It is not orthodox. rathbone was a cannon performance in a non cannon environment.
Omega Man		#15	[-]
Jul 16 11 5:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Someone on another forum stated that the GAME OF SHADOWS trailer makes Sherlock Holmes "look like a kung fu fighting drag queen." That did make me laugh. "Dammit, it's jammed!" www.eccentric-cinema.com
DerGolem		#16	[-]
Jul 16 11 10:08 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Omega Man wrote: Someone on another forum stated that the GAME OF SHADOWS trailer makes Sherlock Holmes "look like a kung fu fighting drag queen." That did make me laugh. Well Holmes did know kung-fu (actually Baritsu) but as far being a queen.... well that is left open to interpretation.
Domenick Fraumeni		#17	[-]
Jul 16 11 12:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm wondering if Michael Bay isn't a secret producer on these? I'm finding the best way to enjoy these is as an alternate universe Sherlock Holmes, sort of like some of the cartoon Holmes that pop up, now and then.
Ray Faiola		#18	[-]
Jul 25 11 9:19 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BLECCH. Paging Harry Bartell and Petri Wine. Classic Film Scores Restored on CD http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com
Wich2		#19	[-]
Jul 25 11 10:08 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>as far being a queen.... well that is left open to interpretation< Relatively recent re-interpretation, yes. As far as A.C. Doyle's original? I honestly don't see that in the stories. And I don't think it likely that the very Victorian ("Steel True, Blade Straight") author, in the character largely based on his old prof Joe Bell, meant that to be the case. -Craig
DerGolem		#20	[-]
Jul 25 11 10:56 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: >as far being a queen.... well that is left open to interpretation< Relatively recent re-interpretation, yes. As far as A.C. Doyle's original? I honestly don't see that in the stories. And I don't think it likely that the very Victorian ("Steel True, Blade Straight") author, in the character largely based on his old prof Joe Bell, meant that to be the case. -Craig I know Craig, it was a joke. Though I was also alluding to The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes.
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