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Joe Karlosi		#21	[-]
Jun 27 11 11:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd definitely be interested in watching it once, though I wouldn't necessarily want to pay to do so. If it works well enough, I wonder if the practice of adding spoken dialogue to all silent movies would be considered. Personally, I think it would ruin the mystique and ambiance about those kinds of films. "Guy named Squeamy got thrown from the fifth floor. He's deader'n a mackerel."
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Tim Hammell		#22	[-]
Jun 27 11 12:57 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Got a clip to show? It'd be an interesting and fun experiment to see what result you could get but I'm in agreement with Ted's assessment on the lip-flap. Not really my thing I think, I'll be sticking with the old silent. In the original filming would they actually film the whole speech of a character and trim most of it out to replace with the inter-title frames?
Rider		#23	[-]
Jun 27 11 1:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tim Hammell wrote: Got a clip to show? It'd be an interesting and fun experiment to see what result you could get but I'm in agreement with Ted's assessment on the lip-flap. Not really my thing I think, I'll be sticking with the old silent. In the original filming would they actually film the whole speech of a character and trim most of it out to replace with the inter-title frames? I'm sure there were times they would do this, but if it was done it was rare.
Wich2		#24	[-]
Jun 27 11 1:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tim, as I and others mentioned above: It depended on the film, the actors, and the directors - but often, Silent dialogue was hardly "scripted" in the strict sense at all. The actors were sometimes just adlibbing words roughly appropriate to the scene's action. And as for the dialogue printed on the title cards? There were writers who specialized in that, and it was often written AFTER the film was shot.
BijouBob8mm		#25	[-]
Jun 27 11 3:36 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hope this is better than ORLOCK!, the 3-D version of NOSFERATU. Man, what a stink-a-roo experience that was!
Tim Hammell		#26	[-]
Jun 27 11 7:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks, Wich2. somedays I'm slow. The reverse could be true too, I guess, there seems to be a lot of dialogue in Metropolis that is not carded. End of OT.
Wich2		#27	[-]
Jun 27 11 8:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Not OT at all, Tim - carry on! Best, -Craig
dhtreptow		#28	[-]
Jul 1 11 7:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Joe Karlosi wrote: I wonder if the practice of adding spoken dialogue to all silent movies would be considered. Looping? Many beloved sound horror films were shot silent and looped in whatever tongue desired. That said, I think looping a silent is even sillier than colorizing since a silent film isn't a sound film without dialog, the whole way it's shot, performed and edited is tied to the notion it has no spoken words.
Rick		#29	[-]
Jul 1 11 7:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Exactly. Too many people think of a silent film as a talkie with a disabiltity. It's really a different critter and needs to be accepted and appreciated as such. That said, I'm sure we've all seen some less-than-stellar silents which consist mainly of people standing aroung well-appointed rooms flapping their lips to no effect. But, unless you've got some appropriate Shakespeare or Oscar Wilde dialogue laying around, talk ain't gonna help those sorts of things.
Wich2		#30	[-]
Jul 2 11 9:26 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>a silent film isn't a sound film without dialog, the whole way it's shot, performed and edited is tied to the notion it has no spoken words< >Too many people think of a silent film as a talkie with a disabiltity. It's really a different critter and needs to be accepted and appreciated as such< And there it is.
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john and leslie.filmlandclassics		#31	[-]
Jul 3 11 4:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	if this goes well the next project should be the 1943 version re-worked as a silent film. now that i would buy
todmichel		#32	[-]
Jul 3 11 4:47 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	QUOTE: "Too many people think of a b&w film as a color movie with a disabiltity. It's really a different critter and needs to be accepted and appreciated as such" It's true. QUOTE:"If this goes well the next project should be the 1943 version re-worked as a silent film. now that i would buy " LOL. Seriously, what a marvellous idea!
Joe Karlosi		#33	[-]
Jul 3 11 6:33 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	todmichel wrote: QUOTE:"If this goes well the next project should be the 1943 version re-worked as a silent film. now that i would buy " LOL. Seriously, what a marvellous idea! I trust you're only kidding, and that you would not condone, let alone BUY, such a thing? I know how much you're against colorizing movies... well, re-working a movie like that would amount to the same thing. "Guy named Squeamy got thrown from the fifth floor. He's deader'n a mackerel."
todmichel		#34	[-]
Jul 3 11 6:43 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Joe Karlosi wrote: todmichel wrote: QUOTE:"If this goes well the next project should be the 1943 version re-worked as a silent film. now that i would buy " LOL. Seriously, what a marvellous idea! I trust you're only kidding, and that you would not condone, let alone BUY, such a thing? I know how much you're against colorizing movies... well, re-working a movie like that would amount to the same thing. You guessed it. I was just joking (just as John & Leslie, in fact). I can't really say I like this movie, but I'm against any alteration of anything, so...
Prometheus74.incrediblehulkd...		#35	[-]
Jul 3 11 2:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I recently saw the 1925 "Phantom of the Opera" for the first time ever, and I enjoyed it very much. There's something about these old silent horror films that adds a little extra creep factor. Perhaps it's the fact that they're so old that they feel (the films themselves) haunted. LOL. I'm also a fan of "Nosferatu" (1922), "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" (1919), and "Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" (1920), and I own those films on DVD.
Prometheus74.incrediblehulkd...		#36	[-]
Jul 3 11 2:35 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Rick wrote: Exactly. Too many people think of a silent film as a talkie with a disabiltity. It's really a different critter and needs to be accepted and appreciated as such. Well said. I couldn't agree more. And moreover, the same could be said of black-and-white films. These films were made with special attention to all the different shades of grey, and with shadows put to optimum use. They were never intended to be colorized-----doing so diminishes the film, in my opinion. Great atmospheric films such as Hitchcock's "Shadow of a Doubt" (1943) and "Rebecca" (1940) would lose something if they were colorized. The same thing can be said regarding most of the great Universal horror films. Orson Welles even put it in writing that he didn't want his "Citizen Kane" (1940) to ever be tampered with in any way---including colorization.
TServo4		#37	[-]
Jul 3 11 3:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	As a matter of fact, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA was colorized in the era—the French release of the film was entirely stencil-colored by the Pathé Frères company. J. Theakston Capitol Theatre, Rome, NY
Wich2		#38	[-]
Jul 3 11 3:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh, Jack - always reminding folks of the rich early-cinema history of colorization! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00142EHQ6?tag=mercycorps-20
Prometheus74.incrediblehulkd...		#39	[-]
Jul 3 11 11:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes, indeed. In the version I saw, the scene at the masqued ball was colorized (very rudimentarily). Back in 1925, this must've seemed quite groundbreaking. The audiences of the day must've been as amazed and enthralled as those in 1993 who first saw the groundbreaking use of CGI in Jurassic Park.
TServo4		#40	[-]
Jul 4 11 12:56 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The American release of PHANTOM had a number of scenes in Technicolor—the opera scenes and the masked ball. Some scenes, such as the Phantom on the rooftop and fire effects in the torture chamber, were supplied by Max Handschiegl/Kellycolor, using their proprietary dye-transfer applied color process. Some trade mentions talk about Prizma, but I don't think this is the case since the company went bankrupt before the film started shooting, and the receivers were basically filling orders that were previously filmed at that point. And of course, the remainder of the film is complexly tinted and toned, common practice at the time. J. Theakston Capitol Theatre, Rome, NY
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