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12" THE CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF by Distinctive Dummies

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dracsback		#141	[-]
Sep 5 11 10:08 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Amazing reading. Started off with that TOO SMALL head for the Werewolf doll and here we are discusing licensing and copyrights. I find it very informative - not kidding! However, now I know why we may never see the WARNERS or UNIVERSAL HAMMERS on BluRay. Too many cooks in the kitchen? I don't know if this HAMMER WEB can ever be untangled. "I saw what I saw when I saw it!"
Ted Newsom		#142	[-]
Sep 5 11 11:28 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yup. Anyway, there probably won't be an all-encompassing "Hammer" line any time soon, since the films have always been spread over so many other partners and distributors. Doesn't mean the exploitable ones won't come out at all, it'll just be up to the assorted rights holders in any given territory. Though there's no reason Universal couldn't bring out their movies on BluRay, just like they did in every other medium. That gets into whether or not someone believes the expense would be worth the cost of putting the product out.
dracsback		#143	[-]
Sep 5 11 1:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ted Newsom wrote: .... That gets into whether or not someone believes the expense would be worth the cost of putting the product out. Always the case....but then why not let Synapse or some other Third Party give it a go....If Universal isn't interested? Sometimes I get the feeling that it's a bunch of kids in a sandbox.... "No! It's mine!!". "No it isn't, I marketed that. It's mine!" "Well, if I don't release the BluRay - then NOBODY will! There!". And, it may be that with a title like VAMPIRE CIRCUS, rights are easier to get and pay for giving Synapse Films the opportunity to turn a profit. With BRIDES, HORROR, CURSE, etc. it may be that the upfront is just too prohibitive creating larger risk. Studios don't like risk. Any risk. "I saw what I saw when I saw it!" Last Edited By: dracsback Sep 6 11 10:47 AM. Edited 1 times.
Dr Mirakle32		#144	[-]
Sep 5 11 11:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Jesus! Say what you will about Distinctive's prices, but they can't compare to Executive Replicas: http://www.executivereplicas.com/bkarloff_mainpage.htm Just look at what they want for their new Karloff figures. Those are figures I've wanted for years, but if they think they can charge Hot Toys prices for barely-Sideshow quality, they must be nuts! [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ryanjeri/35291_119522394760003_110763902302519_106065_5151609_n-1.gif[/IMG]
The Mighty Bongo		#145	[-]
Sep 6 11 5:23 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The older Karloff is only $70 , and the best likeness, IMO. The others are very pricey though. Chris Want to hang out with the ultimate party animals ? Come see us at; http://www.hollywoodgorillamen.com/
TServo4		#146	[-]
Sep 6 11 2:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I like the part where the old man tells the beggar to dance. J. Theakston Capitol Theatre, Rome, NY
thebrainfollower		#147	[-]
Sep 6 11 4:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dang nab it and I wanted that Poelzig figure too! Not at that price I don't though
hammerfan	cool	#148	[-]
Sep 24 11 7:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I just wanted to say that i have all in the collection and they are great. well worth the money
FRANNY		#149	[-]
Mar 7 12 7:09 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have posted elsewhere and now here. Was too harsh and although this figure doesn't appeal to me' I wasn't constructive in the criticism. So my apologies to Ventriloquist.
MacXoftheMounted		#150	[-]
Mar 7 12 12:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	And the hands are too big. MacXoftheMounted.....................formerly known as Professor Von X
MacXoftheMounted		#151	[-]
Mar 7 12 2:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just kidding. MacXoftheMounted.....................formerly known as Professor Von X
Ventriloquist		#152	[-]
Mar 8 12 4:40 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	FRANNY wrote: I have posted elsewhere and now here. Was too harsh and although this figure doesn't appeal to me' I wasn't constructive in the criticism. So my apologies to Ventriloquist. Many thanks Franny. And sincere respect for you doing this.
FRANNY		#153	[-]
Mar 8 12 5:58 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No problem' I was out of order and just jumping on the bandwagon. You forge ahead. Best of luck. X
Nicholas Blair		#154	[-]
Aug 1 12 8:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dr Mirakle32 wrote: That being said, the idea of quality 12" Hammer figures sculpted by Mike Hill does sound amazing. At least he has more than the talent to back up his criticisms. That is very true, Mike certainly is one of the most talented sculptors I have seen in a long time... but if I am to be honest his short and direct ''criticism'', which was very harsh, of another guy in a similar field puts me off a bit. It is quite disheartening to see an artist be so biting like that. I have been an artist (not of model kits or figures) for a few years and I'd hate to be as cruel as that to another artist, regardless of whether he is less talented or not, and I'd hate to be treated that way too. I am not an atheist but one of the Christian tenants (that seems to be contradicted elsewhere in the Bible) I actually agree with is ''do unto others as you'd have done unto you''. I have been attempting to sculpt a few figures (mostly Dark Shadows, less famous Gothic horror characters from film and literature(still working on Varney...)) myself, but I doubt I'd bother releasing them as fan-made figures now (I didn't really care about making any profit on them anyway). Some people are too stoogey towards big corporations (whose profits are not hurt by types of products that they do not want to produce...and we owe them nothing in the first place. Call me a socialist, but that is true) and quite relentless regarding faults and errors. This might be an old thread but I had seen it before and decided to have my say when I stumbled upon it again. Are the DD figures perfect? Not really, but they are hand-made and quite reasonable priced (and I have been collecting in the 12" hobby for years...ah, I remember the day when £30 was expensive rather than the obscene £150+ that damned Hot Toys charge) and nicely done. Do they infringe on Hammer copyrights? Yes they did when they called themselves the Hammer Collection and made a figure of a Phil Leakey design, but Hammer did not produce 12" figures since the early 2000s (one measly Dracula figure) and thus fan-made custom figures do not hurt Hammer sales. It is the same with pirate DVDs. Case in point, MGM or Warner (I cannot remember which) will not release 'Alfred The Great' to DVD, therefore ''pirate'' DVDs are the only DVDs of this film. It would be very unreasonable for MGM/Warner to bring legal action against ''pirates'' when they themselves refuse to release the film. Big companies should either make what people want (in this case 12" Hammer figures) or shut up.
Nicholas Blair		#155	[-]
Aug 1 12 8:57 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Mighty Bongo wrote: The older Karloff is only $70 , and the best likeness, IMO. The others are very pricey though. One of the best figures in my collection. Not simply Karloff, half-recognisable as a monster, but Karloff the actor that we all know and love from 'Targets' and the TV show 'Thriller' (which I grew up with). I got him for around £70 rather than $70 because he is quite an old figure now (and the Barnabas Collins cost way more than that...) but that is not really a bad price in the world of 12" action figures (which I am almost giving up on due to the prices created by HTs). Exclusive Replicas are pricey, but the worst thing about them is that they rarely even release their figures. Vincent Price is not released, none of the specialized Karloffs are, Herbert West isn't and Blacula isn't. The later is a major shame as William H. Marshall was a fine actor that didn't get the career he deserved due to racism and ''reds under the bed'' paranoia; the least they could do was release a figure of him as a blacksploitation's vampire, he deserved much more in life.
Jameson281		#156	[-]
Aug 2 12 12:02 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nicholas Blair wrote: Do they infringe on Hammer copyrights? Yes they did when they called themselves the Hammer Collection and made a figure of a Phil Leakey design, but Hammer did not produce 12" figures since the early 2000s (one measly Dracula figure) and thus fan-made custom figures do not hurt Hammer sales. It is the same with pirate DVDs. Case in point, MGM or Warner (I cannot remember which) will not release 'Alfred The Great' to DVD, therefore ''pirate'' DVDs are the only DVDs of this film. It would be very unreasonable for MGM/Warner to bring legal action against ''pirates'' when they themselves refuse to release the film. Big companies should either make what people want (in this case 12" Hammer figures) or shut up. Has Warners told you personally that they "refuse" to release ALFRED THE GREAT? The own 6,000+ movies. They've released thousands, and release more every week. They can't release everything at once, but they don't release the one YOU want and you take it as a personal insult. They may have reasons for not releasing it--they may have lost the rights; there may be rights problems (music, underlying literary property, etc.); there may be problems with the film elements; etc. Why are you angry at the studios for not making Hammer figures? They aren't in the business of making action figures. They simply license rights out to companies that make the figures. Why not get angry with, say, Sideshow Collectibles? That would at least make sense. In case of Hammer, as Ted points out, rights are spread all over the place. Let's say you want to make a figure of Peter Cushing from FRANKENSTEIN MUST BE DESTROYED. Who has the licensing rights? Hammer? Warner Bros.? Does one have the rights in all territories, or are the territories split? Do they have the rights to Cushing's likeness, or do you have to make a deal with Cushing's estate? (You don't care about the rights of the corporations, but what about the rights of the actors? Any sympathy for them, or are you mad at them too for not making action figures of themselves?) Theoretically your may have to make deals with both companies and the estate. Then when you want to do your second Hammer figure, you might suddenly find yourself dealing with a different studio with a different set of demands.
Stievaulx		#157	[-]
Aug 2 12 4:57 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dr Mirakle32 wrote: "Werewolf?" "There. There wolf!" Based on the classic 1961 Hammer Film starring Oliver Reed, Leon from The Curse of the Werewolf is the latest in Distinctive Dummies' line of handmade Hammer Icons. From the Distinctive Dummies Newsletter: "Hi to all And welcome to the first Distictive Dummies newsletter. The Curse of Frankenstein 12" figure is well on its way to selling out with only around 20 copies remaining at the time of writing. Out now is The Curse of The Werewolf 12" Custom Figure Handpainted with faux fur to the body and arms, handmade tailor fit clothing and retro custom box I don't expect this piece to hang around long. Retail Price is $95.00 including Worldwide Shipping. Still have to update the website though so hopefully this week. Kind Regards -- Martin Cage http://www.distinctivedummies.com" Thanks, Ryan Absolute crap. Tasteless, childish rubbish. Last Edited By: Stievaulx Aug 2 12 5:05 AM. Edited 1 times.
FRANNY		#158	[-]
Aug 2 12 6:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That isn't a constructive opinion' Stievaulax. Once again we're entitled to opinions but we must be prepared to back-up our claims with evidence, I don't particularly care for the product, but it's a nice thought that someone is producing a Hammer related product, So I wished them the best of luck, unfortunately a bit out of my price-range. Actually I rather like the Werewolf figure! My taste though goes towards the recently released Titan busts.
Nicholas Blair		#159	[-]
Aug 3 12 5:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No, Jameson, I am not angry at studios for not releasing action figures, I was comparing film studios not releasing films, and also criticising studios for not LICENSING action figures whilst taking umbrage at fans for creating action figures based on their films. You have a fair point saying that I should be angry at companies for not seeking the license, but I am not worried about that, I am worried about companies, who do not license official figures, muscling on fan productions, including action figures, garage kits etc. because they cannot really claim that such products are taking business away from non-existent licensed products. People have wanted Hammer action figures for years, since Sideshow started to make Universal monsters. It is pretty unfair to sue someone for making a product that companies have no intention of making themselves, and that studios do not license. As for MGM (or Warner Brothers...really, my memory is not as good as it used to be, I am afraid) not release 'Alfred The Great'. No, they have not told me directly that they will not release the film, but I was not using ''refused'' literally. I meant they have not released the film and do not seem to have any intention of releasing it any time soon. I did sign a petition years ago (when I naively though that studios listened to petitions), back when DVDs were first released. Since that time 'Alfred The Great' has remained an unreleased films and thus bootleg copies are the only DVDs available. When the studio actually does release 'Alfred The Great', they'd be free to sue anyone distributing bootleg copies of that film, because it would potentially cause them to lose a profit. Until that time, bootleg copies of this unreleased film do not take any money away from the studio. I am not sure where you are getting me taking a studio not releasing a film as a personal insult. Me thinks that you took something I wrote as offensive and are being a little childish despite not knowing me at all. But I admit that I could be wrong, I simply do not know you, so no offense meant if we are simply misunderstanding eachother. But to address your point about films being held up for various reasons, you are correct that 'Alfred The Great' might not be released due to rights issues etc. However, as far as I know there is no such issue blocking the release of the film, they seem to feel that it is just not worth releasing. And, in their defence, it might not be as the film was a flop. But if you read my post, I am not against them not releasing the film, per se, I am against them tackling bootleg copies of the film. Your point (and Ted's point) about rights does, indeed, stand. Rights are indeed all over the place. As for making a likeness of an actor, that is a tricky subject. Generally it was accepted that you cannot license someone's look, which is why Dragon figures usually had headsculpts based on famous actors (case in point, the Zulu War Sgt. Jones figure looked like Sean Connery), but it gets complicated when you credit the actor and if the figure depicts a specific character from a film. But, as stated, I do not actually agree with studios taken legal action against small, independent fan-based outfits making products that a studio doesn't currently license. I think the copyright laws of China are almost decent in this regards, even if Chinese companies do often tend to go overboard with knocking off other peoples' work. As for actors, I do have sympathy for them, although I am sure most do not feel the need to specifically try to copyright their facess. I don't care enough about my own image, so I'd not push do it, and there are many people who look enough like me (famous and non-famous) to be identically to me if made into 12" scale. I think people are pretty strange if they get upset about unofficial figures of themselves unless they are really being disrespected (say, if they release a pretty crude and insulting figure based on Peter Cushing...then his estate really should take legal action). Last Edited By: Nicholas Blair Aug 3 12 6:09 PM. Edited 2 times.
lencandraw		#160	[-]
Aug 3 12 8:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Some damn good looking dolls; I have been longing for some Hammer characters for figures, but have no intention of paying anywhere near a hundred clams for one. Too bad- they look great. I guess the licensing problems have created quite a shortage, so I can understand the asking price, but still...

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