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Jan 22 11 8:58 PM
Jan 23 11 12:05 AM
atenolol wrote: It is like an acorn growing into an oak. As it happens, it is Nature. If it is one's belief that this can only be done through the hocus-pocus of the gods, or aliens, it is not Nature, and the explanation is not science but mysticism.
cjh5801 wrote: The idea that humans may have been helped along the path by aliens is no more mystic than animal husbandry. It may not be flattering, and it certainly isn't probable (it's a science fiction movie, after all), but it isn't mysticism.
Jan 23 11 1:53 PM
Jan 23 11 2:07 PM
atenolol wrote: A poster pointed out that 2001 is science fiction. Exactly. It is fiction. But the development of man and man's intelligence on Earth is not fiction. It is an historical fact and subject to scientific evaluation. Science explains that development through the Theory of Evolution. I am a Darwinist. An explanation which relies on an alien manipulation of man's history is anti-Darwinist to me.
atenolol wrote: It is one thing for science fiction to deal with an alternative world or with the future. It is quite another to deal with the past and then ignore the facts of the past. That does open a door which just calling it "fiction" can not close.
Jan 23 11 3:34 PM
Jan 23 11 5:15 PM
atenolol wrote: The future is wide open for speculation. The past. No. To me there is no "possible" pasts. There is only the past which actually was.
Jan 23 11 7:12 PM
Jan 23 11 7:44 PM
atenolol wrote:I am a Darwinist. An explanation which relies on an alien manipulation of man's history is anti-Darwinist to me.
Jan 23 11 11:11 PM
hermanthegerm wrote: I am also a Darwinist. Is it possible that a species may intervene in the development of another species, even and up to genetic manipulation to either facilitate survival or accelerate evolution? It sure is.
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DonM435 wrote: As in Five Million Years to Earth, one of my favorite "thoughtful" sf films. .
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I never met Kubrick, much to my regret. When I was in college, I had flipped over LOLITA and DR. STRANGELOVE, so when I heard he was planning a science fiction movie, I sent a note--I don't remember how I obtained the address--suggesting some writers. He responded by saying he'd already connected with one I probably heard of: Arthur C. Clarke. The night I first saw 2001, which was opening night here in L.A., I wrote a very impassioned and long letter, mailed the next day. Later, I received that letter in which he said my enthusiasm for the film pleased him, and that my thoughts on it came the closest of any he'd read so far to what he had in mind. I got one more letter after that; I failed to save that most important letter, but I do have the last one, glued into my hardback copy of the 2001 novel. I later learned he almost NEVER answered fan mail.
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Andrew Kidd wrote: When the jawbone swings into the sky and the weapons platform takes it place
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