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Oct 2 06 5:17 PM
Oct 2 06 8:46 PM
Oct 3 06 12:54 AM
Oct 3 06 5:20 AM
Quote:But you do still seem very unclear on text vs. subtext.
it is intellectually baffling. Your insights and observations are often brilliant, always on-point...
There is a strong anti-Communist subtext to THEM!, for instance...
There is a very strong political subtext to INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS
Terry Fisher's Hammer films, generally, are not layered with subtext, except in the staging and playing of certain scenes.
BRIDES OF DRACULA is crammed with gay subtext, which, in that case, is used menacingly and equated with assorted other ... ahem... alternate pursuits. I sure picked it up when I was a kid, though I didn't know why David Peel felt so unsettlingly creepy.
Sometimes there just ain't none... just like, sometimes people write stories that mean just what they say and nothing more. And other times people don't get it: the social commentary and backhandedly wicked observations in HUCKLEBERRY FINN, for instance-- as opposed to the extremely superficial and fun TOM SAWYER. The eating scene in TOM JONES-- famous, hysterical, for what it's NOT showing-- it's just two people in close-up, eating voraciously. But is there subtext? You bet. You see what's on their minds... and they're just eating food... fully clothed.
but subtextual themes are layers beneath the obvious intent of telling a story, not the external elements.
Quote:As for the straw man in WHITE ZOMBIE... I don't know anyone who sees anything in Lugosi's line, "I have taken an interest in YOU, M'sieur." And that IS interesting. The line itself COULD be riddled with double meanings... if Karloff said it in THE BLACK CAT, for instance. Or Rathbone in THE MAD DOCTOR. Or Atwill in just about anything. But WHITE ZOMBIE is a superficial ghost story with one-dimensional characters... beautifully shot and designed, to be sure, but basic and schematic...
Oct 3 06 10:04 AM
Oct 3 06 10:30 AM
Oct 3 06 10:36 AM
Quote:In spades. There, it seems like a very deliberate and conscious decision on the parts of everyone involved, from the writer & director to the performers... but there are plenty of people who don't see it or never noticed it... like me. I always thought the thing was an overlong and essentially uninteresting adaptation, and never gave it much textual thought, paying no heed to any other layers to it.
Does this make me dumb, too? Mmmmm... could beee...
Oct 3 06 11:09 AM
Oct 3 06 11:20 AM
Oct 3 06 12:18 PM
Quote:I always thought the thing was an overlong and essentially uninteresting adaptation,
Oct 3 06 12:30 PM
Oct 3 06 1:12 PM
Quote:I find myself liking it more and more over the years.
Oct 5 06 4:47 PM
Quote:You cannot prove that unintended subtext exists outside of one's own interpretation or mind.
Oct 5 06 10:00 PM
Oct 6 06 5:27 AM
Quote:I don't think there's a lot of sub to that subtext...
Oct 6 06 9:58 AM
Oct 6 06 10:35 AM
Quote:Back to school guys, to learn something about fact vs. general public perception. You need to watch GLEN OR GLENDA? and take notes. Then transcribe Simon Oakland's speech from PSYCHO. You can learn a lot from genre movies...)
Oct 6 06 1:07 PM
Oct 6 06 2:25 PM
Quote:I waded through it and had an eerie sense of deja vu. Thanks for the link.
Oct 6 06 9:12 PM
Quote:Victor Shakapopulis: But why? What good will this do anybody?
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