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Doc Savage		#41	[-]
Dec 22 10 2:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Will -- you're right on the money. That's why comic book 'purists' always amuse me to some extent. Comic book characters continually evolve, and the 'real' character is whatever he happens to be at the time. How many times has Batman changed? Or, as you point out, Superman? Green Lantern? Depending on what continuity you read as a child ... that's the 'real' character. Remember, these are not characters in novels, who travel a specific road of narrative and then find a resolution. These are commercial properties, that change depending on the market, their handlers, and the current zeitgeist. Image the howls of outrage that would've greeted The Dark Knight, had it premiered in, say, 1968? PS -- the Alex Ross Superman too often looks like Anthony Zerbe for my tastes!
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Uchujin65		#42	[-]
Dec 22 10 3:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hope Superman is played by Gerard Butler and looks like an smarmy sociopath, kicking Luthor down a shaft while screaming "This is Krypton!!!!!!!!!!" in a voice that sounds like he's passing a bowel movement of steel. jlcarrozza.com
HalLane		#43	[-]
Dec 22 10 6:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote: I always loved his take on Superman CHFB sculptor extraordinaire Mike Hill apparently agrees with you!
tonyrivers		#44	[-]
Dec 23 10 12:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just because a character "morphs" from one decade to another or from one writer to another doesn't mean a particular version is better or should continue. Was the "electric" Superman an improvement on the traditional one? Fact is there have been a lot of bad Superman stories over the years and just because a story was written nowadays doesn't mean it's better than a story written in the 1940's. BTW: in the radio adaptation, the whole Smallville and Clark Kent being brought up by the Kent's was bypassed completely as Superman arrived on earth as an adult. And editorial decisions are not always for the best. I've read a lot of comments on websites that the "Donner-verse" should be completely left behind just because of SUPERMAN RETURNS. As far as I'm concerned it wasn't Donner's version of Superman that was the problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS but a poorly thought out plot and too many homages to SUPERMAN THE MOVIE. Donner's Lois Lane would never do the things or act like the Lois in SR. Adding the child was a bad decision. RETURNS was not the Superman movie most fans wanted to see.
cabmangray		#45	[-]
Dec 23 10 12:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Now, would anyone really want to mess with the gent on the top of this page? What I'm concerned about what Zack Snyder will bring to the screen. I'm just hoping he won't unleash some horrible premise from the past. Nick Cage as Superman, anybody? How about the almost happened Mc G version where Supie's costume springs from a cannister and Lex Luthor is a Kryptionian CIA operative?
Robert Troch		#46	[-]
Dec 23 10 12:49 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Doc Savage wrote: Will -- you're right on the money. That's why comic book 'purists' always amuse me to some extent. Comic book characters continually evolve, and the 'real' character is whatever he happens to be at the time. How many times has Batman changed? Or, as you point out, Superman? Green Lantern? Depending on what continuity you read as a child ... that's the 'real' character. Remember, these are not characters in novels, who travel a specific road of narrative and then find a resolution. These are commercial properties, that change depending on the market, their handlers, and the current zeitgeist. Image the howls of outrage that would've greeted The Dark Knight, had it premiered in, say, 1968? PS -- the Alex Ross Superman too often looks like Anthony Zerbe for my tastes! The Dark Knight (the Frank Miller version) is pretty much outside of regular continuity and comics. It was basically one of those old "imaginary" tales with a ton of angst heaped on top of it. Yes, characters do and have morphed through the years BUT there are core things that have pretty much always been there. Batman (for instance) has always been a driven sort of genius. (Granted the "driven" part was something you often had to dig for especially in the 50's and 60's ) The world's greatest detective. That is one thing he has pretty much ALWAYS had....yet I still haven't seen a film where this is the case. Why not? Why can't he build and invent his own devices instead of relying on Wayne industries and Lucius to build it for him? The core stuff. The stuff that has made the character endure so long. That stuff has always been there (to a sometimes greater or lesser degree) so I, as a fan, expect and ant to see it. One of the BIG failures of GINO was that everything that ever made Godzilla endure was not in that film. NOT the movie I (or many others) wanted to see. Besides that............Superman really hasn't changed all that much in his 70 plus years. Robert T. Robert T. Last Edited By: Robert Troch Dec 23 10 5:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
Doc Savage		#47	[-]
Dec 23 10 3:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Superman really hasn't changed all that much in his 70 plus years. Not really ... look at the social crusading Superman of the 1940s, the goofy guy of the 50s, or the science-fictional guy of the 70s, to the romantic hero of the 90s... Some 'core stuff' is there, but they are all different characters. That's why no one can speak in definitives when dealing with a commodity like a comic book character.
tonyrivers		#48	[-]
Dec 24 10 1:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Superman has changed since the original comics and not always for the better. The original Siegel Superman was no "boy scout" who often would pick up criminals and soar into the sky with them by their feet and pretend to drop them to get them to confess (or leave them dangling on a flag pole). He would beat up wife beaters and smash through doors if someone tried to keep him out. A far cry from the Superman we have today. When Superman became popular with kids, the decision was made to have him be more law-abiding and heroic. The problem with doing any Superman movie or TV show now is that the Superman fans are split about what version of the character they want to see. Byrne's reboot also split fandom even more. Siegel and Shuster created a meek Clark Kent who was Superman's disguise but Byrne changed it so Kent is the real person and Superman the disguise. Byrne also humanized (or should I say "Marvelized} the character. Superman was always someone we would aspire to be not someone we can identify with. Also i keep reading that "fans" want Superman in the new movie to battle something or someone. I always found the best Superman stories to be those where Superman was given a problem to solve and had to use his brains and brawn to overcome that problem. (Like getting amnesia or turning radioactive or stopping an earthquake). Of course it wont matter what any of us want or hope to see in the new movie. It will be up to Goyer's script and Snyder's direction and whomever they pick to play Superman whether the movie works or not. As a Superman fan I'll go see it and hope for the best. Luckily I have the Superman Fleischer cartoons, Kirk Alyn serials, George Reeves TV series and the first 2 Chris Reeve movies (and hopfully one day the Gerard Christopher Superboy shows on DVD) to fall back on.
will		#49	[-]
Dec 24 10 1:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I read that when Siegel was writing the newspaper comic strip in the 1940s he had a story where Lois found out who Superman was or he told her and she started helping him keep his identity secret and the editors had a cow and made him change it to a dream or something. If true, it would have been interesting what direction Superman would have taken if Siegel and Schuster retained the rights.
Chesterbelloc		#50	[-]
Dec 24 10 3:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I read that when Siegel was writing the newspaper comic strip in the 1940s he had a story where Lois found out who Superman was or he told her and she started helping him keep his identity secret and the editors had a cow and made him change it to a dream or something. If true, it would have been interesting what direction Superman would have taken if Siegel and Schuster retained the rights. If memory serves, in the newspaper strip Lois finds out that Clark is Superman and they marry. This continuity went on for quite a long time until the folks at National Comics saw it and flipped. Then the newspaper strip had to print a disclaimer that the story of the marriage of Superman and Lois took place in an alternate reality and was not part of the true Superman continuity. Thus, the first "Imaginary" Superman story was born. Check out my movie collection at: http://www.dvdaf.com/search.html?where=larryw7&init_form=where_0_larryw7*mode_more
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The Giant Pacific Octopus		#51	[-]
Dec 24 10 11:18 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	tonyrivers wrote: I always found the best Superman stories to be those where Superman was given a problem to solve and had to use his brains and brawn to overcome that problem. (Like getting amnesia or turning radioactive or stopping an earthquake). I hear ya. I'm sick of seeing Supes fight. I want to see him overcome something terrible. Like a painful toothache. I tell ya, a movie like that will blow any other superhero movie out of the water!! .... The Catch of the Day!
will		#52	[-]
Dec 25 10 3:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This would make good Superman movie.
Robert Troch		#53	[-]
Dec 27 10 1:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Doc Savage wrote: Superman really hasn't changed all that much in his 70 plus years. Not really ... look at the social crusading Superman of the 1940s, the goofy guy of the 50s, or the science-fictional guy of the 70s, to the romantic hero of the 90s... Some 'core stuff' is there, but they are all different characters. That's why no one can speak in definitives when dealing with a commodity like a comic book character. Yeah there were those periods but did he really change all that much? Maybe somewhat...but in the case of Superman not that much. Robert T.
will		#54	[-]
Dec 27 10 3:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Robert Troch wrote: Doc Savage wrote: Superman really hasn't changed all that much in his 70 plus years. Not really ... look at the social crusading Superman of the 1940s, the goofy guy of the 50s, or the science-fictional guy of the 70s, to the romantic hero of the 90s... Some 'core stuff' is there, but they are all different characters. That's why no one can speak in definitives when dealing with a commodity like a comic book character. Yeah there were those periods but did he really change all that much? Maybe somewhat...but in the case of Superman not that much. Robert T. He went from a wise cracking sometimes killer who couldn't fly, just leap, considered a menace by the police, to a serious establishment omnipotent being with a strict don't kill policy. I would say that's a big change.
Robert Troch		#55	[-]
Dec 28 10 1:36 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	will wrote: Robert Troch wrote: Doc Savage wrote: Superman really hasn't changed all that much in his 70 plus years. Not really ... look at the social crusading Superman of the 1940s, the goofy guy of the 50s, or the science-fictional guy of the 70s, to the romantic hero of the 90s... Some 'core stuff' is there, but they are all different characters. That's why no one can speak in definitives when dealing with a commodity like a comic book character. Yeah there were those periods but did he really change all that much? Maybe somewhat...but in the case of Superman not that much. Robert T. He went from a wise cracking sometimes killer who couldn't fly, just leap, considered a menace by the police, to a serious establishment omnipotent being with a strict don't kill policy. I would say that's a big change. That was all very early stuff like Batman, and didn't last very long in the 70 years of his existence. Robert T.
Wich2		#56	[-]
Dec 28 10 10:27 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd have to vote with Robert: yes, of COURSE there are little evolutions and developments along a 70 year road ~ But the Last Son of Krypton, now Man of Tomorrow, who also lives as a Whitebread Reporter, and most of all is a super-empowered Fighter for Good, is pretty recognizable across his whole wide spectrum.
Doc Savage		#57	[-]
Dec 28 10 3:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hope they make Superman dark and gritty, like the comics....
tonyrivers		#58	[-]
Dec 29 10 1:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Talk about changes: DC's Superboy is no longer Superman when he was a boy but in 1993, DC introduced a new, modernized Superboy, a teenage clone of both Superman and Lex Luthor, also known by his Kryptonian name Kon-El and his secret identity as Clark's cousin, Conner Kent. BTW: one of the reasons DC discontinued the Superboy comics (featuring stories of Superman as a boy) was because some readers said since we all knew Superboy grew up to be Superman, there was no real danger and Superboy would always win. You could say the same thing about Smallville since we know Kent will become Superman at the end of the series. Last Edited By: tonyrivers Dec 29 10 1:36 PM. Edited 1 times.
Robert Troch		#59	[-]
Dec 29 10 3:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: I'd have to vote with Robert: yes, of COURSE there are little evolutions and developments along a 70 year road ~ But the Last Son of Krypton, now Man of Tomorrow, who also lives as a Whitebread Reporter, and most of all is a super-empowered Fighter for Good, is pretty recognizable across his whole wide spectrum. That's pretty much what I meant...you just put it better than I could have! Robert T.
will		#60	[-]
Dec 30 10 2:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	tonyrivers wrote: Talk about changes: DC's Superboy is no longer Superman when he was a boy but in 1993, DC introduced a new, modernized Superboy, a teenage clone of both Superman and Lex Luthor, also known by his Kryptonian name Kon-El and his secret identity as Clark's cousin, Conner Kent. BTW: one of the reasons DC discontinued the Superboy comics (featuring stories of Superman as a boy) was because some readers said since we all knew Superboy grew up to be Superman, there was no real danger and Superboy would always win. You could say the same thing about Smallville since we know Kent will become Superman at the end of the series. Does anyone with an ounce of brain think Superman might lose? As for Smallville, Clark is Superman, he just hasn't put on a shirt with "S" on it. What is he waiting for?
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