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cabmangray		#461	[-]
Jul 23 12 1:07 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Mattel, if Warners didn't have a deadline to work against, the suits would still be battling each other as to how to reboot the series. Which is exactly what this film is going to be. Warner's has wanted to do something like this for at least 10 years. Take the Superman story and reboot, re-fit, re-jig the whole thing while getting away from the Donner version. From what I see in the trailer, they have pretty much done that. Notice there is no close-ups of Supie, and certainly nothing of his trunkless uniform. My personal feeling is the public won't buy this unless it's really, really good. Bryan Singer was right: "The problem is you are trying to reinvent the wheel. It doesn't need to be reinvented because there's nothing wrong with it!"
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davlghry		#462	[-]
Jul 23 12 1:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	cabmangray wrote: Bryan Singer was right: "The problem is you are trying to reinvent the wheel. It doesn't need to be reinvented because there's nothing wrong with it!" Famous last words. Singer's slavish devotion to Donner's vision was his film's undoing, the reason why SUPERMAN RETURNS made no lasting impact.
HalLane		#463	[-]
Jul 23 12 1:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	davlghry wrote: sort of like when artists put speed lines around comic book characters. That's right. Can't get more old school than that. Or perhaps it's the visual equivalent of George Reeves' "WHOOSH" -ing sound (am I the only one who found Chris Reeve's noiseless flights sonically underwhelming?), which would also be kind of cool. Besides, I ran The Taco Bell Hypothesis by my resident science professor (she has a lab coat and everything, just like The Lizard), and we discussed contrails being formed by (I'm paraphrasing) the condensation of cold water vapor molecules with hot friction. Now c'mon, who better to Super-heat air than the Last Son of Krypton? So they're contrails, what's the big deal?
Carl Eyesnheart		#464	[-]
Jul 23 12 1:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	davlghry wrote: I'm surprised at the negative reaction to the teaser. I kind of liked it. And I wasn't upset by Superman's body "pushing the air out of the way" as he soared upward. I thought it was done for effect, sort of like when artists put speed lines around comic book characters. But that is the problem. We should not be saying we "kind of like" it. We, as science fiction, fantasy, comic fans, should be screaming in joy over this trailer. If WE can't get excited about this, how the heck is the general public going to get excited. Showing a trailer that shows nothing sure isn't going to do it, as the reaction in my showing of DARK KNIGHT RISES shows. Nobody cared. That was obvious. My son even said "ugh, really? How many of these are they going to make?" This is a kid who LOVES superhero films. It was a "meh, kind of looks nice," which is far below what Superman really deserves. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Wich2		#465	[-]
Jul 23 12 2:11 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>So they're contrails, what's the big deal?< Friend Hal, someone said this recently about the new Spidey flick: "This is the movie I wanted to see ten years ago... I've been reading Spider-Man since 1962 or whatever. I know most of Ditko's comics work, I've worked with John Romita, I've chatted with Gil Kane... I've drawn Spider-man, I've painted him on signs, I've "met" Spider-Man (he used to give tours of the Marvel offices... I buy Spider-Man toys... I think I know Spider-Man.... And this WAS Spider-Man. Finally. I'm stoked." (Italics mine.) Some of us have that same depth of feeling for Supes, and want to be stoked for him, too. Not for a silly reinvented wheel, just - Superman. Best, -Craig
Red Gargon		#466	[-]
Jul 23 12 8:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HalLane wrote: So they're contrails, what's the big deal? Not really a big deal to me, just something I was amused at for probably the wrong reasons and, hey, convenient excuse to make a fart joke. I'm classy like that. The angsty desaturated, un-fun feel of the teaser, in keeping with recent tradition, is really what's making me feel underwhelmed moreso than anything contrail-related.
HalLane		#467	[-]
Jul 23 12 8:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well your Taco Bell joke got unanimous laffs in this house, Red!
ARGumshoe		#468	[-]
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DerGolem		#469	[-]
Jul 24 12 2:07 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: >I don't think it's a contrail. I think its a wingtip vortrices resulting from the change in air pressure surrounding an object moving at supersonic speeds. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices< Nice try! And yes, the first "breaking the sound barrier" cone is cool. But those streamers look like contrails, so the effect fails. >But seriously, does someone really have a problem with that?< Yes, seriously. Because "that looks stupid" moments ruin any film, whether Comics, Kitchen Sink Drama, or Kaiju. >It certainly never bothered me when I saw any other superhero do it in shows or comics.< Comics are a flat graphics, representational medium. You've seen this effect in a "show," as in motion pictures? Yeah I've seen it before in movies and TV shows both live-action and animated. A character will take off into the sky and leave a vapor trail behind them. When you say it's meant to be representational I think you are right. People associate contrails with fast moving flying objects, they don't think about the science behind them. When I watched the Superman teaser I had lots of thoughts but not a single one of them was "Those contrails are scientifically inaccurate." Also you say that it looks stupid but I imagine many would disagree with you. After all the whole reason Superman has contrails in this trailer is undoubtedly because someone - Chris Nolan, Zack Snyder, etc... - thought it looked cool, not because they thought it was scientifically accurate. I will try to get some screen caps of other examples of this. Last Edited By: DerGolem Jul 24 12 2:22 AM. Edited 1 times.
Gojira		#470	[-]
Jul 24 12 3:24 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Let's hope they don't have humans breathing in space again....
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HalLane		#471	[-]
Jul 24 12 5:22 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I like the Jor-El/ComiCon version better. Cavill looks good, the flying looks good, the suit looks good, the photography looks good, the music is good. I'm good. Thanx again, AR.
Carl Eyesnheart		#472	[-]
Jul 24 12 8:26 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes, that Comic Con version looks much better. BUT, it still has an awful big DARK KNIGHT feel to it. Too heavy handed. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Wich2		#473	[-]
Jul 24 12 9:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What Carl said. Grit and angst are not Kal's things; let him be Clark, and let Bruce be Bruce.
Andy Sheets		#474	[-]
Jul 24 12 12:36 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The full trailer comes off better but it's still too pretentious for my tastes. I wish filmmakers would lay off the Super-Messiah thing and just let Superman be FUN.
HalLane		#475	[-]
Jul 24 12 1:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	<< Grit and angst are not Kal's things; let him be Clark << It's a little early to say he won't be, Craig. If a "Nolan-ized" universe means a realistic world with people you can relate to in it, then I say bring it. When I was a kid, we had THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN. George Reeves against a gritty, danger filled underworld of crime. It was as dark, stark and exciting a place as in contemporary crime dramas like say HIGHWAY PATROL or PERRY MASON, by far the most "realistic" worlds this cathode ray kid was exposed to, and a far cry from the likes of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER or THE DONNA REED SHOW. At least for a year or two, that is. After that, we got a colorful cornucopia of goofy henchmen, crackpot inventors and Martian midgets. Realism flew right out the empty store room window, and it just wasn't the same place. Before that, Superman battled injustice in the Max Fleischer universe of dark, gritty gangsters and mechanical terrorists, again, stark contrast to the singing barnyard wildlife of their contemporary animated neighbors. On the flip side, there was Chris Reeve's big screen stomping grounds; hardly the stuff of dreams it looked all too much like the disco detective world of KOJAK and CANNON writ large, a place former tv director Dick Donner felt real comfortable with, but dated, phoney and unbelievable even then ("Bad vibrations?"). Kal is not about angst? Tell that to the fifteen or so seasons of SMALLVILLE, or as I like to call it, DAWSON'S CREEK with cgi. No, if there's one more chance to see Big Blue operate in a world that doesn't feel like a boob tube backdrop with cardboard characters, I'll buy that for a dollar. Gimme the fishing boat backstory over Young Kal's cosmic lava lamp Coming of Age journey any day.
Gojira		#476	[-]
Jul 24 12 1:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think Superman suits angst fine.
Wich2		#477	[-]
Jul 24 12 1:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's about balance, Hal. The palate available is much, much broader than just what fits between '70's cheese and and as Andy says, "pretentious." Balance - as in that gritty '50's season you and I both loved: I haven't given up all hope; in fact, the vibe I get from the lead is good. But the overall production looks grey, just grey. (And if you think the Nolanverse is "realistic," well... maybe for the decaying, imploding Soviet Union, about 1990.) And the suit - which is not an irrelevant element here - just looks like shitte. Ugly palatte, un-Clark design, impractical; hey, if "realism" is the goal here, what's the point of the whole caped wetsuit rig anyway? -Craig Last Edited By: Wich2 Jul 24 12 1:43 PM. Edited 1 times.
davlghry		#478	[-]
Jul 24 12 2:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: But the overall production looks grey, just grey. (And if you think the Nolanverse is "realistic," well... maybe for the decaying, imploding Soviet Union, about 1990.) Just like the world Zack Snyder created for WATCHMEN. It's too bad this gray world thing has become so chic among filmmakers (blame David Fincher?)
Carl Eyesnheart		#479	[-]
Jul 24 12 2:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Heck no. I would blame Alex Proyas more than anybody. THE CROW is pretty much what everything became. We could say Burton, but his BATMAN still had levity. THE CROW was what set the tone, and the bar, IMO. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Gojira		#480	[-]
Jul 24 12 2:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	In a way, I'd trace it back to Frank Miller and Alan Moore.
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