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Jul 23 10 3:38 AM
Don Glut wrote:So, I think MOONBEAM came later, after Dawley and O'Brien parted company, as has always been believed.
Cathrine Curtis Corporation. Records, 1920-1927. 7 cubic ft (2 boxes), acc. #07656[...] The Cathrine Curtis Corporation (CCC) was founded in June 1919 by Cathrine Curtis, a pioneer woman filmmaker, as a motion picture production company. In 1920 CCC was approached by Watterson Rothacker, president of Rothacker Film Mfg. Company, about producing a motion picture based on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel "The Lost World" in conjunction with Associated First National Film Corporation and its general manager, John D. Williams. CCC entered into agreement with Rothacker to produce the movie, based upon Rothacker's claim that he had exclusive rights to the book and to Willis O'Brien's dinosaur models. While viewing the movies "The Ghost of Slumber Mountain" and "Along the Moonbeam Trail" in which O'Brien claimed to have done the special effects, Curtis noticed that the rights to the special effects belonged to Herbert Dawley, O'Brien's former employer.CCC sued Rothacker and Williams in 1922 for fraud, claiming that Rothacker had misrepresented his rights to the novel and to O'Brien's models; CCC also refused to continue production for fear of litigation brought on by Dawley. In the course of the suit, it was discovered that the models were stolen from Dawley by O'Brien and that Rothacker did not have the rights to the book. Rothacker and Williams settled with CCC for a release of contract and other expenses involved in planning for the production of the movie.[...] Collection contains materials relating to CCC and its production of "The Lost World". [...] Included are legal agreements; synopses for "The Lost World"; an adaptation of "The Lost World" by Charles A. Logue from Conan Doyle's book; a plan for production, including possible actors; publicity materials for "The Ghost of Slumber Mountain" and "Along the Moonbeam Trail"; legal materials relating to the lawsuits between CCC, John D. Williams, Watterson Rothacker, and Willis O'Brien (1923-24).
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Barbenfouillis wrote:Can anyone clarify something? I have an old email from BFI which states that they loaned their "667 feet on 35mm film" of Moonbeam to the Academy in 2008. Also my understanding is that the footage found in the Chatham Theater is generally not the same footage. Does the restored print include the BFI footage ... or doesn't it?
Bill Warren wrote:Dawley continued to make shorts through the
rest of the 1920s, which I presume use stop-motion, but I'm uncertain
Jul 23 10 12:59 PM
So Dawley teamed up with famous puppeteer Tony Sarg! One learns something all the time on this forum, thanks Dr. K. For decades I've had a 16mm print of another Sarg shadow/dinosaur movie, ADAM RAISES CAIN, but never knew of Dawley's involvement. I believe Sarg also made some very big puppets (dinosaurs, maybe, I don't recall off hand) for parade floats, possibly the Macy parade in NYC.
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Ted Newsom wrote:Doc, is there a date on that clipping anywhere?
Jul 23 10 1:27 PM
Ted Newsom wrote:
Steve-- no, the Academy print does not have any of the Mother Goose stuff, Queen Snore, or flying around through space. It starts on a printed intertitle card then cuts to a long shot of a biplane landing in an open field by a forest.
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Ted Newsom wrote:
Steve-- no, the Academy print does not have any of the Mother Goose stuff, Queen Snore, or flying around through space. It starts on a printed intertitle card then cuts to a long shot of a biplane landing in an open field by a forest. There's a cut to a closer angle as Dawley and the two kids climb out.
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Bill Warren wrote:Was the footage the BFI loaned the AFI labeled as being ALONG THE MOONBEAM TRAIL, or as "Early English Fantasy"?
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Bill Warren wrote:
Incidentally, some of the films of the amazing Charley Bowers are avaialble on YouTube. He was doing stop motion of a very different kind at the same time as O'Brien.
Jul 26 10 10:17 AM
The phrase "it was discovered" is not explained. Could that be simply paraphrasing a one-sided statement/claim made by Dawley? And if true, could it refer possibly to O'Brien "stealing back" his models from GHOST? I doesn't specify which models Obie allegedly "stole." And could the statement in that document regarding O'Brien claiming to have done MOONBEAM be just another Dawley claim?To me, the original scenario is still the simplest and makes the most sense. O'Brien is hired by Dawley to do SLUMBER. They have a falling out. Dawley later does MOONBEAM, at the same time trying his own hand at the animation with less successful results. Later yet, O'Brien is offered the much bigger and more prestigious LOST WORLD. Smelling money, Dawley makes his claims against O'Brien and sues. Dawley subsequently teams up with Sarg while O'Brien's career continues via LOST WORLD, KING KONG, etc.Another thing to consider. In those very primitive movies O'Brien did for Edison, his animation is a lot more lively than anything seen in the lethargic animation done for MOONBEAM, and the angles/camera set-ups in MOONBEAM are very un-Obie, in my opinion -- which to me suggests that Obie had nothing to do with MOONBEAM.
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