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Coughcool		#21	[-]
Apr 28 09 3:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'll might go see this. I didn't feel a need for a remake of Star Trek. But isn't that the case most of the time. Now I'm hearing they are going to remake Videodrome. I just saw a old Star Track on TV the other day and it was fun to watch. I think I'm going to see some more older Star Treks soon.
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Dr Mirakle32		#22	[-]
Apr 28 09 6:41 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Never been a big ST fan outside of casually enjoying a couple of episodes of TOS and TNG, but in preparation for the new film, I bought THE MOTION PICTURE and ST VI on DVD(Already a huge movie geek and a fan of Star Wars, Bond, monsters and comics, I felt like I had finally hit that geek rock bottom when I approached the cash register.) I have only previously seen TWOK and GENERATIONS, and it was my first time watching TMP (haven't watched VI yet.) My God, TMP was BORING AS SHIT ! Yes, I had read the reviews, and thought I knew what to expect, it just dragged beyond belief. It's like they took a decent idea for a forty minute episode and literally filmed it as a dragged out two and a half hour movie. However, the message was kind of interesting (though I finished watching the film having no idea WTF just happened,) the sets, EFX and art design were phenomenal, and IMO the score by Jerry Goldsmith is one of the best scores in movie history. Between dozing in and out of the movie, I figured it works best as an epic music video to Goldsmith's score. And this was the supposed "Director's Edition". I HATE to see what the theatrical cut is like. Now I know why everyone loves TWOK (which I initially found confusing and overated.) I certainly hope ST VI is better. I also figured I could never be a huge Trekkie: While there is certainly enough for me to like in the vast franchise, it is far too cold and technical for me to love. I've come to the generalized conclusion that Star Wars is for literary and mythological geeks while Star Trek is for the math and science nerds. Certainly nothing wrong with either. [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ryanjeri/35291_119522394760003_110763902302519_106065_5151609_n-1.gif[/IMG]
Wich2		#23	[-]
Apr 28 09 7:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"it is far too cold and technical for me to love" Dr., that is not at all true of the original series. Please take a look at a few more eps.; if you can overlook cheapness, you will find a bunch of smart, heartfelt Morality Tales, played out by an emsemble of characters that richen into a bit of a Family - and with some decent Humor on hand. "Star Trek is for the math and science nerds." They might like it - but it is not just for them. Roddenberry had a life that included War service, commercial Aviation, Police work, and Hollywood - and all of that informs his universe here. Best, -Craig W. Last Edited By: Wich2 Apr 28 09 9:52 PM. Edited 1 times.
Rick		#24	[-]
Apr 28 09 7:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I can't speak for any of the later versions, but the original STAR TREK series and films are chockful of literary connections and allusions and a palpable love of language. WRATH OF KHAN has a strong Moby Dick connection, and VI is heavy on the Shakespeare (most of it from a wonderfully juicy Christopher Plummer). STAR WARS undeniably has that Joseph Campbell thang goin' on, but STAR TREK is, I would argue, much stronger in the literary department overall.
oldmanster		#25	[-]
Apr 28 09 9:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, for those who like to mix their iconography, the new Star Trek film contains one scene that is right out of Empire Strikes Back, and the fact that LucasFilms ILM did the special effects means there is a blurring between the two franchises. As long as Lucas stays away from screenplays, I don't have a problem separating the two series in my head. ... Reed
SparkieGojira		#26	[-]
Apr 28 09 9:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: "it is far too cold and technical for me to love" Dr., that is not at all true of the original series. Please take a look at a few more eps.; if you can overlook cheapness, you will find a bunch of smart, heartflet Morality Tales, played out by an emsemble of characters that richen into a bit of a Family - and with some decent Humor on hand. "Star Trek is for the math and science nerds." They might like it - but it is not just for them. Roddenberry had a life that included War service, commercial Aviation, Police work, and Hollywood - and all of that informs his universe here. Best, -Craig W. To further gang up on.... er I mean set Dr. Mirakle straight; the appeal of the original series, and STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE for that matter (at least in it's later seasons), are the characters and the morality plays they engage in. I totally understand your impression of STAR TREK being "far too cold and technical" for you to love. I hate a good deal of STAR TREK for the same reason! -Clark
blackbiped		#27	[-]
Apr 28 09 10:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	As a longtime Trekker, I must submit myself as a GLARING exception to the "math and science nerd" theory! I hate those things and have always been totally double-plus ungood at them. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. Porfle's Secret Blog HK and Cult Film News Andersonvision.com
SparkieGojira		#28	[-]
Apr 28 09 11:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Me too. Although I prefer to call myself a Trekkie rather than a Trekker. I associate the latter with people who dress up as Star Trek characters, and the former are the old school fans, comfortable enough in their skins to not take offense at the moniker Trekkies..... andones who became scientists (it is at least true for my sister.). -Clark Last Edited By: SparkieGojira Apr 28 09 11:08 PM. Edited 1 times.
Dr Mirakle32		#29	[-]
Apr 29 09 12:49 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm not trying to say that all Trekkies are math and or science nerds, but that the franchise (especially in the movies and later shows) itself is more technologically oriented than something like Alien or Star Wars, and would seem to have a greater appeal to someone with a mathematical or scientifically interested mind. I've always been horrible and unintersted in both, and consider that the reason why so much of the tone and jargon goes right over my head, whereas something like Star Wars can be immeadiately enjoyed with more of an adventurous focus on a (relatively) human story. On the other hand, the ST cast and characters are great, and they are one of the things I really do like about the series. I also just got done with THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, and found it MUCH more enjoyable than TMP. Overall it was a decent flick, but for some reason, I'm genuinely troubled every time I see a klingon. Any time one appears on screen, I'm immeadiately reminded of one too many unfortunate comic cons. [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ryanjeri/35291_119522394760003_110763902302519_106065_5151609_n-1.gif[/IMG]
Wich2		#30	[-]
Apr 29 09 12:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"klingon. Any time one appears on screen, I'm immeadiately reminded of one too many unfortunate comic cons" (chuckle) A fair response! The same one I also have when I see a SW Stormtrooper!
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blackbiped		#31	[-]
Apr 29 09 1:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	SparkieGojira wrote: Me too. Although I prefer to call myself a Trekkie rather than a Trekker. I associate the latter with people who dress up as Star Trek characters, and the former are the old school fans, comfortable enough in their skins to not take offense at the moniker Trekkies..... andones who became scientists (it is at least true for my sister.). The first time I read about "Trekkies" back in the 70s, the term was being used disparagingly to describe the pointy-eared Trek groupies invading the conventions, who didn't really care about sci-fi but who thought Kirk and Spock (and Chekov, I imagine) were cute--with "Trekker" being coined by the more serious fans to describe themselves. So in my mind, "Trekkie" has always had the more frivolous connotation. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. Porfle's Secret Blog HK and Cult Film News Andersonvision.com
sirharryflashman		#32	[-]
Apr 29 09 8:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: "klingon. Any time one appears on screen, I'm immeadiately reminded of one too many unfortunate comic cons" (chuckle) A fair response! The same one I also have when I see a SW Stormtrooper! I was at a comic con this past weekend http://www.calgaryexpo.com/ . Nary a Klingon to be found, but there were certainly Stormtroopers to be seen, although the most prevalent costuming struck me as being Anime or Manga based. I was heavily involved in local Star Trek fandom throughout the 90s, through no fault of my own, and most of the folks I knew never cared much if one was called a Trekkie or Trekker. I suppose it all depends on how seriously one takes these things, but if you've got pointy ears glued to your head, a sense of self-deprecating humour is probably a good thing. Cheers, Charles Prepolec Gaslight Grimoire Blog: News, Interviews and Updates Sherlock Holmes News: Sherlock Holmes in Films, Books and Media
Rick		#33	[-]
Apr 29 09 8:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's also my understanding that 'trekker' was invented by those fans who thought 'trekkie' too frivolous. But in later days it seems to me that trekkies tend to be good-natured fans who may or may not wear pointy ears, while trekkers show up for jury duty in full Federation uniform.
Wich2		#34	[-]
Apr 29 09 9:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"I suppose it all depends on how seriously one takes these things, but if you've got pointy ears glued to your head, a sense of self-deprecating humour is probably a good thing." One hopes... a Classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugk37TvIR8E
Rick		#35	[-]
Apr 29 09 10:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's been too long since I saw that. Thank you, Craig, that was a genuine blessing. My sides hurt a little, but still, thanks.
Adolf Kitler		#36	[-]
Apr 30 09 12:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	HERE is a Trekker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjP8LqSPj8A
blackbiped		#37	[-]
Apr 30 09 12:56 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Rick wrote: It's also my understanding that 'trekker' was invented by those fans who thought 'trekkie' too frivolous. But in later days it seems to me that trekkies tend to be good-natured fans who may or may not wear pointy ears, while trekkers show up for jury duty in full Federation uniform. I don't understand where this perceived transference between the two is supposed to have taken place. I would still call the jury-duty/Federation-costume (frivolous) fanatic a Trekkie, and a sci-fi fan who's seriously into Star Trek (while being good-natured about it as well) a Trekker. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. Porfle's Secret Blog HK and Cult Film News Andersonvision.com
Wich2		#38	[-]
Apr 30 09 11:48 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(Welcome, Rick; yep, Smigel is a pretty brilliant fella!) "HERE is a Trekker -" No, that's a Looney Toon. Last Edited By: Wich2 Apr 30 09 11:51 AM. Edited 1 times.
SparkieGojira		#39	[-]
Apr 30 09 4:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Rick wrote: It's also my understanding that 'trekker' was invented by those fans who thought 'trekkie' too frivolous. But in later days it seems to me that trekkies tend to be good-natured fans who may or may not wear pointy ears, while trekkers show up for jury duty in full Federation uniform. Yeah what Rick said! And I don't mean to imply that Black Biped is one of the latter types even if he does prefer the term "trekker". By the way anyone remember Sears use to carry Star Trek uniforms in the children's department. I'm sure I was wearing a red Starfleet tunic in my kindergarten class photo! -Clark
RKS		#40	[-]
May 1 09 1:17 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't really ever see the need for more STAR TREK. I'm done with it and really don't see the need to revisit it. Super pass! Excuse me......You want me to do what with my what now?
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