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DavidDelValle		#81	[-]
Mar 31 10 5:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hey David not to worry you were fine with all you said...there are simply some things monster kids are not supposed to know at least not yet.....he...he..he
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Wich2		#82	[-]
Mar 31 10 6:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"The FJA discussion always seems to be either "Unca Forry, the Pied Piper" or "Creepy Forry, the ghoulish egomaniac." It's nice to see something that reads as honest and fair-minded.' Indeed, Rick. The best honor to show these folks, is to acknowledge their Common Humanity. Whether it's Jr. Chaney, or Spence Tracy, or Lou Costello, or FJA, in the long run that's infinitely more honest than trying to maintain them as Plaster Saints. -Craig Last Edited By: Wich2 Mar 31 10 6:32 PM. Edited 1 times.
David Sechrest		#83	[-]
Mar 31 10 7:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	DavidDelValle said: he never attempted to interview any of them them for posterity I never realized it until I read your words, but this is how I feel about Forry as well and I can relate, in my own little way: During the '93 FM Convention in Arlington, Diana Harryhausen waved me over to a table where she sat with friends. She was waiting on Ray to finish his autograph session and wanted to introduce me. I had a pressbook from Jason & The Argonauts which I hoped I could get Ray to sign. But there's a time and place for everything and once Ray arrived, we sat and chatted about little things. Diana kept nudging me to get out the pressbook, but I just couldn't do it. And I didn't. It was so much more important to me to just sit there and listen to Ray than have something I could take home and hang on my wall. I have no pictures of that meeting. Just a memory that I'll keep for myself. I know that doesn't make much sense in the context of which we're discussing, but through that, I can understand your meaning...
DavidDelValle		#84	[-]
Mar 31 10 7:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	For a man who has lived but a single lifetime you are a wise man Mr.....Sechrest Regardless for how much we may covet material it will always be your memoires that will serve you best...I just came by this revelation for myself by finally writing my own memoirs into a book which would never have happened if I was still out grabbing posters from guys that live for nothing else. I once said I would stop collecting stills of Lugosi unless I met at least five or six like minded souls that did not live in the basement of their parents or behaved like another 50 year old virgin. thanks again David
The Drunken Severed Head		#85	[-]
Mar 31 10 10:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: The Decca lp was recorded under the gun time-wise, and almost didn't happen - because when Boris read the punny first draft, he told them he'd only do it if rewritten. -Craig Sorry to be late in commenting; I just got to this thread. I put up the quote above because it needs amending. It may foster the mistaken impression that Forry wrote the "punny first draft." He did not. 4E's approach was serious from the beginning, I'm told, at least when it came to putting words into Karloff's mouth. http://universalmonsterarmy.com/blog/
Ted Newsom		#86	[-]
Mar 31 10 11:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Not true, Max, I don't believe. Forry dealt with his perception of it the situation I believe, an essay in The Frankenscience Monster (what a dopey name for a Boris Karloff 'biography'), and copped to the usual punsterfunstermunster schtick. I think Verne Langdon, who produced the album, has said the same thing. As for putting words into Boris' mouth... well, that's what the script was about. It's not like the writer had to concern about anything else on that project. EDIT: I could be Wong. Hu's on First. Huai? I Dunno. Last Edited By: Ted Newsom Mar 31 10 11:49 PM. Edited 1 times.
Wich2		#87	[-]
Mar 31 10 11:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Max, I did not mean to imply that - because I know that Forry did not write the rejected draft. But my main point was, as I wrote, that, "Karloff didn't care for goofy sh*t." -Craig Last Edited By: Wich2 Mar 31 10 11:41 PM. Edited 3 times.
David Sechrest		#88	[-]
Mar 31 10 11:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have the LP (mp3), and I'm recording "The Original An Evening With Boris Karloff And His Friends"--The Demo Version, from Rhapsody. A reviewer on Amazon has this to say about it: "...one of the albums sold was An Evening With Boris Karloff And His Friends, produced by the man who also made the monster masks - Verne Langdon, and the man who among other things created Hollywood's world-famous Magic Castle - Milt Larsen. The script for the album was penned by none other than the man whose vast collection of photos appeared in the magazine, Forrest J Ackerman. These three incredibly talented individuals created then leased to Decca their project, featuring the greatest horror soundtracks of all from Universal Studios classic horror films, and hosted by the greatest, most famous monster of them all, Boris "Frankenstein's Monster" Karloff himself. But that is not what you're being offered here, not so far as the later Decca version is concerned. "THE ORIGINAL" An Evening With Boris Karloff And His Friends" is indeed this, the never-before-heard ORIGINAL, the prototype, the "demo" of the album as it were, B.D. (before Decca). In this ORIGINAL version you will hear Boris Karloff's original timing and pauses, and breathiness later removed by sound editors, and you will hear an appropriately-eerie score for the entire album never before heard, composed and performed on a massive 4-manual, 34-ranks-of-pipes theatre organ (once briefly owned by Universal studios) by the man who thought up the idea in the first place, Verne Langdon. This great classic PRE-classic ORIGINAL album comes directly from the publishing vaults of Electric Lemon Record Company, and is precisely reproduced for all the world to hear, "again, for the very first time," from the original 15ips master, pre-Decca. Dracula, The Wolf Man, The Mummy, The Bride Of Frankenstein, and even the groom himself ... they're all baaaaaaack! ..." It will be interesting to compare the two...
arriman		#89	[-]
Apr 1 10 1:46 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hi, Since I'm the guy that started this thread I thought I would write and share of few of my thoughts. I never met Forry, I just had a few email exchanges with him about 8 years ago. As a kid reading FM, I saw all the pictures of Forry with various horror movie stars. I just assumed that he was very well connected and was "pals" with these actors. FM and Forry = pals with Karloff, Lugosi, Price, Lee, Cushing, etc. As an adult and with a different perspective on life, I've wondered just how close he actually was to these people. It's surprising to hear that Boris didn't care for Forry, and it seems that he actually spent more time with Lugosi. Does anyone know if Forry tried to milk autographs from Lugosi? And did Forry continually pass off the DRACULA ring as being the actual one Lugosi used in the movie all whilst knowing full well that it wasn't? Thanks to all here for an extremely interesting thread....it's nice to get to the bottom of things, as much as it might shoot down perpetuated facades....
Ted Newsom		#90	[-]
Apr 1 10 7:35 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	arriman-- there's some existing discussions of Forry's collection on another thread, Horror Collectables. A LOT of archive work and comparisons. It's fun reading. Here's a fun place to start: http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/23286?page=1 The Dracula ring does seem to be the genuine McCoy, at least "screen used," as they now say in the auction catalogs. No, it was not used in the 1931 film, but Lugosi did wearing it in A/C/F. It is probably the same ring worn by Carradine in the two HOUSE movies, and may well have its origins as the Alucard ring in SON OF DRACULA, though the crest in that film is entirely different. (Complicating all this is the fact that there were a number of copies of the ring made from the mid-60s onward, and latterly, mass produced by several different fan entrepreneurs. Because of the theft which was endemic to Forry's open-house attitude, there's always the suspicion someone switched a phony for his real one. This does not seem to be the case.) Last Edited By: Ted Newsom Apr 1 10 7:48 AM. Edited 1 times.
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DavidDelValle		#91	[-]
Apr 1 10 9:44 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hello to arriman I for one am grateful you took the time to put this thread out there because I think all of us that knew Forry from the ealy days of FM have been in a kind of shell shock as more information makes it way to the surface. There are very few left that knew him from the 50's before FM maybe just Ray Bradbury remaina as witness that aspect of his life. This of course would include his connection to Bela Lugosi which was of course pre FM since he died in 1956, from what I got from Forry over the time I knew him was bits and pieces of Lugosi coming to Forry's old house and writing "amazed" in the guest book then there were the photos of Lugosi sitting in the living room with a smiling Wendy looking on and so on. I used ask him what Lugosi thought of Karloff, did he ever talk about his early days at Universal, did he know ever cross paths with Chaney Sr. Forry never thought to ask he did recall Lugosi's state of mind and his troubles with his last wife Hope whom one could demonize with very little effort since Bela Jr has revealed how his father begged him on the day of the wedding to take him away since he was only doing this to spite Lillian. Anyone else with an interest in this genre would have taken those opportunities and made the most of it....I imagine we must look to the Gordon brothers or the late Willam K Everson to get a glimpse of the latter day Lugosi. Forry left behind the set of Famous Monsters that he edited and they remain a wonder from the standpoint of images but as far as film history we must look else where. Now having said that we baby boomers were more than satisfied with the fantastic stills and the fact some of them belonged to Lugosi and so on but what you walk away with looking back to those golden days was Forry and who he knew and what sets he visited and whose funerals he attend in others words it was always about him. I suppose the final word should come from his own personal idol the great Marlene Diertich when she said at the end of TOUCH OF EVIL..."HE WAS SOME KIND OF A MAN"
Ted Newsom		#92	[-]
Apr 1 10 2:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	He was a big fat crooked cop with a rubber nose?
todmichel		#93	[-]
Apr 1 10 4:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Forry sent me this still many years ago. I post it as he is with Karloff (and another man I'm unable to identify). I don't remember if this still was also published in FMoF... and unfortunately I have no informations about the place, nor the date. They were probably mentioned in a accompanying letter but I didn't find it. I think I received this still in the mid-Sixties... Last Edited By: todmichel Apr 1 10 4:29 PM. Edited 1 times.
David Sechrest		#94	[-]
Apr 1 10 4:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Notice Forry's body language compared to Karloff's. Great still todmichel. Can't remember if this was published in FM. It looks mighty familiar.
todmichel		#95	[-]
Apr 1 10 4:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Euuhh... a little out of subject, but speaking of body language...! note by Forry on back of photo: "She's sci-fi fanne and artist Joni Cornell at Masquerade Ball of 1961 World SF Convention" (not a word about the poor guy. Sacré Forry !)
Scoundrel		#96	[-]
Apr 1 10 5:57 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	RE: Karloff and FJA photo.. I'm sure some one will correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that Walt Daughterty (sic) behind Forry?
The Drunken Severed Head		#97	[-]
Apr 1 10 6:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know the person who wrote the first version of "An Evening With..." It wasn't Forry. That pic of Forry with Karloff-- I think that's Donald Reed behind FJA? http://universalmonsterarmy.com/blog/
The Drunken Severed Head		#98	[-]
Apr 1 10 6:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ted Newsom wrote: He was a big fat crooked cop with a rubber nose? Are you the last person to find this out? http://universalmonsterarmy.com/blog/
Wich2		#99	[-]
Apr 1 10 6:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Always amazed at how dark Boris's complexion is offstage - he really must have used a lightening base most of his career.
DavidDelValle		#100	[-]
Apr 1 10 7:41 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think that is Denis Gilford behind the two of them.....please more fetish photos...bring on the spanking shots...where is Hedi Ho Ho when you need her?
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