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flashback		#181	[-]
Jun 18 12 6:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	someone told me the band members in the jucy fruits were the members of the scum of the earth on wkrp in cincinnati.
Marshall Crist		#182	[-]
Jun 18 12 6:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	One of them definitely is.
Krick Wurkheiser		#183	[-]
Jun 18 12 8:11 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	flashback wrote: someone told me the band members in the jucy fruits were the members of the scum of the earth on wkrp in cincinnati. Peter Elbling was in that episode, but not the others.
flashback		#184	[-]
Jun 18 12 10:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ok.thanks for the clarifiction.
jamesbrummel		#185	[-]
Jun 19 12 10:24 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Krick Wurkheiser wrote: gasp YOU'RE Ari the Archivist! Respect. I listened to a podcast which you guested on the other day. By the bye, my name is Ari too! P.S. the Swan Song fiasco broke my heart. i dunno, all this "what could have been" or "should have been" is undermined by the power of the film as it is. I wouldn't change a thing. I mean the impact has not changed for me in 35 years. I would like to hear "MEET THE DEVIL" as a whole song on the soundtrack, as well as entire BEAUTY AND THE BEASTS done by the acts Swan auditions (Three Dog Night style, C+W, Soul/Gospel, maybe not the McGarragle Sisters) but that would be on the soundtrack. I kind of doubt they did the entire song, but prob more than the snippets we saw. Swan Archivist....?
ak.prismiqunoffici...		#186	[-]
Jun 19 12 11:27 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The auditioners at Swan's big gold desk? They did exactly what we saw, no more, no less, and their singing is live there, not sync'd to prerecorded playback, so there are no "full" versions in a vault somewhere.
Krick Wurkheiser		#187	[-]
Jun 19 12 5:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	jamesbrummel wrote: Krick Wurkheiser wrote: gasp YOU'RE Ari the Archivist! Respect. I listened to a podcast which you guested on the other day. By the bye, my name is Ari too! P.S. the Swan Song fiasco broke my heart. i dunno, all this "what could have been" or "should have been" is undermined by the power of the film as it is. I wouldn't change a thing. I mean the impact has not changed for me in 35 years. I grant you, it doesn't really affect my extreme enjoyment of this film, and I didn't care at all about it until I saw the lost scenes on the Swan Archives. I guess I'm a bit of a perfectionist, but the camera angles and sets that got snipped out of the movie at the last minute should all have been left in. Both artistically and to crystallize some of the themes in the film. It doesn't make me like the movie less, but it makes the artist in me sad and it makes me a little sorry for De Palma. Last Edited By: Krick Wurkheiser Jun 19 12 6:02 PM. Edited 1 times.
Grant		#188	[-]
Feb 21 13 8:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	jamesbrummel wrote: 4) I think killing the spotlight guy was way out of line. Yes, it's those "incidental" ones that can bother you. I'm glad all the beach girls seem to escape in the "Upholstery" scene. (If you've seen it before, you know for sure the "Beach Bums" are going to, because they have to reappear as the "Undeads.") I just saw it an hour ago (I watch it about once a year). One character who doesn't seem to get attention is the blond audience member who keeps popping up in the last scene, and who sort of accidentally helps to get Swan killed (even though Winslow was causing that already). As far as I can tell, he's like the whole audience during the "Beef" scene, because he thinks the whole thing is an act.Except that he joins in. Or am I right about that?
ak.prismiqunoffici...		#189	[-]
Feb 21 13 9:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Grant, Quoting my site (because I'm lazy and would rather cut'n'paste than type...): That blond guy is William Shephard, and is credited as "Rock Freak," but actually had a prominent role in the crowd wrangling at the Majestic. Shephard was recruited because of his years of experience in "environmental theater," in which the line between performers and audience is broken down - he had costarred with William Finley in "Dionysus", a pioneering environmental theater production that had been the subject of one of De Palma's prior films, Dionysus in '69. Shephard's job was to work with a group of actors who would be salted in amongst the extras in these scenes, and in the wedding scenes, to get the rest of the crowd riled up and suitably enthusiastic, so that they would, first, look and behave like a real concert crowd and, ultimately, go berserk and become part of the show at the wedding. "In rehearsals," says De Palma, "[Shephard] was so involved in the kind of David Bowie-rock, freak-glitter madness that he totally antagonized everyone in the company. They all loathed him. He was this kind of horrible freak. But that's exactly the kind of character he was in the film: this crazy dancing, throwing the girls around, jumping up on stage, and all that kind madness looked very excessive in rehearsal. But in the context of the final number it looked just about right; it was totally convincing. When the Phantom is stabbed and just crawling along he's clapping and stomping and yelling, 'C'mon baby, let's see some more of that' - just totally convincing." He does do sort of a "monkey-see, monkey-do" thing with Swan; Winslow stabs swan with one of the crow-girls' feather hats, and then Shephard appears to do the same thing, sort of mimicking Winslow. I'm sure when Winslow relieved the spotlight guy of his duties it was just because of some kind of union-mandated break, nothing personal....
Spoiler II		#190	[-]
Feb 21 13 11:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ak wrote: Grant, Quoting my site (because I'm lazy and would rather cut'n'paste than type...): That blond guy is William Shephard, and is credited as "Rock Freak," but actually had a prominent role in the crowd wrangling at the Majestic. Shephard was recruited because of his years of experience in "environmental theater," in which the line between performers and audience is broken down - he had costarred with William Finley in "Dionysus", a pioneering environmental theater production that had been the subject of one of De Palma's prior films, Dionysus in '69. Shephard's job was to work with a group of actors who would be salted in amongst the extras in these scenes, and in the wedding scenes, to get the rest of the crowd riled up and suitably enthusiastic, so that they would, first, look and behave like a real concert crowd and, ultimately, go berserk and become part of the show at the wedding. "In rehearsals," says De Palma, "[Shephard] was so involved in the kind of David Bowie-rock, freak-glitter madness that he totally antagonized everyone in the company. They all loathed him. He was this kind of horrible freak. But that's exactly the kind of character he was in the film: this crazy dancing, throwing the girls around, jumping up on stage, and all that kind madness looked very excessive in rehearsal. But in the context of the final number it looked just about right; it was totally convincing. When the Phantom is stabbed and just crawling along he's clapping and stomping and yelling, 'C'mon baby, let's see some more of that' - just totally convincing." He does do sort of a "monkey-see, monkey-do" thing with Swan; Winslow stabs swan with one of the crow-girls' feather hats, and then Shephard appears to do the same thing, sort of mimicking Winslow. I'm sure when Winslow relieved the spotlight guy of his duties it was just because of some kind of union-mandated break, nothing personal.... Ever since i first saw the film years ago,i hated that guy haha. 20+ years later and i probably hate him now more than i did then. Incredibly annoying and grotesque presence in the crowd,he's like a particularly gruesome carwreck to behold!
Grant		#191	[-]
Feb 22 13 12:09 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That's very interesting. I'm not too surprised, though, to hear about how he got so "into" the part, because that's exactly what I see every time I see him.
flashback		#192	[-]
Feb 22 13 3:14 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	it is one of those little known movie that i really like. i ended up ordering it through a cd store i order home video from because it was on encore and my interest in it peaked again. i was at a store that sells old comic books, posters, books, records and other collectibles.i saw a copy of the vinyl soundtrack album for 10 bucks.plays perfectly and the record and packaging shows no sign of wear.
jamesbrummel		#193	[-]
Feb 22 13 1:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Re: William Shephard he is awsesome in Dionysus, as is Finley, I have a horrible copy from StumpyDisk but it is well worth the 8$. I'd love to see it on screen.
Grant		#194	[-]
Feb 22 13 6:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There's another thing that never occured to me till recently. NETWORK gets credit for so many things, and I'm sure one of them is its final scene, with the idea of an onscreen assassination being planned as a huge publicity stunt. Not to run down NETWORK, but PHANTOM came up with the idea a couple of years before, with ITS final scene.
Spoiler II		#195	[-]
Feb 22 13 10:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Grant wrote: There's another thing that never occured to me till recently. NETWORK gets credit for so many things, and I'm sure one of them is its final scene, with the idea of an onscreen assassination being planned as a huge publicity stunt. Not to run down NETWORK, but PHANTOM came up with the idea a couple of years before, with ITS final scene. And both were snubbed for Best Picture Oscars!!
Monsterpal		#196	[-]
Feb 24 13 8:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is one of the few Brian de Palma movies I can stand.
Dr Acula	!	#197	[-]
Feb 25 13 12:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Big report of the recent Phantom event at Dread Central: http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/64027/event-report-paul-williams-and-phantom-paradise-museum-moving-image A mighty gas flows all around, leaps from the ranks of the lost and found, ancient manuscript leather bound: we are the Mystery Men. http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/ Television Obscurities http://www.tvobscurities.com/
Grant		#198	[-]
Feb 25 13 5:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	flashback wrote: someone told me the band members in the jucy fruits were the members of the scum of the earth on wkrp in cincinnati. Even in publicity about the movie, they're kind of the unsung (no pun intended) people in it, but of course a big part of the enjoyment is watching them go through those three or more versions of the group, and trying to recognize each one. (In my case it's easiest with Archie Hahn since I know him from so many sitcom episodes.) Even in the quick little non-singing moment when the three of them are introducing Beef to the press conference they manage to be entertaining.
jamesbrummel		#199	[-]
Feb 26 13 3:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Grant wrote: Even in publicity about the movie, they're kind of the unsung (no pun intended) people in it, but of course a big part of the enjoyment is watching them go through those three or more versions of the group, and trying to recognize each one. (In my case it's easiest with Archie Hahn since I know him from so many sitcom episodes.) Even in the quick little non-singing moment when the three of them are introducing Beef to the press conference they manage to be entertaining. You ain't lying. One of the bigger laughs is when Philbin shoves pills down harolds thoat right before the bombing. "Harold...put her down, Harold". Also when beef gets cooked 2 of them hug in fear. It's not a lover thing, they are just kind of this unit.
Grant		#200	[-]
Feb 26 13 4:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Unit" is the word. Like any given musical group, they're individuals but they work that way also.

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