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Kevrock	The Frankenstein confusion (They did it to themselves)	Lead	[-]
Sep 7 09 11:18 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hey everybody, I was thinking about the Frankenstein monster name confusion, about how even though the monster's name is not Frankenstein, that's what most people call him. But now that I take a second to think it through, it's not something that horror film fans or movie fans in general started, Universal did this to them selves by naming the second film Bride of Frankenstein (It should have been bride of the monster all though that's a different film). There were many Frankenstein films that introduced the movies as if the monster's name was Frankenstein. Frankenstein VS. The Wolf man, Dracula VS. Frankenstein, Ghost of Frankenstein. Who agrees? What do you guys think? Post your thoughts PS: I made a Youtube video on this Topic. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ZE2CLqhCQ The 15 year old classic horror film fan Kevrock http://www.Kevrock.webs.com Last Edited By: Kevrock Jul 29 12 1:01 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Wich2		#1	[-]
Sep 7 09 11:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Kev, that actually started WAY before the movies. Paging Don Glut!
telegonus		#2	[-]
Sep 7 09 11:43 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	True, Kev, and Universal liked to title their Frankenfilms with strong implications of bonding and connections of various sorts between monster and creator: there are, after all, two brides in Bride, Henry's and the one he created for the monster. The title of Son refers to Wolf, yet he also has a son. Is the Ghost Of Frankenstein a dream or an actual ghost? I believe that the title of Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man is the first in the franchise where there's no ambiguity. Here, the monster is Frankenstein. In this respect the Frankenstein series was kind of like MGM's Thin Man series. In the latter's case the studio tried for some time to make it clear that Nick Charles was not the Thin Man, eventually gave up.
davlghry		#3	[-]
Sep 7 09 12:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	telegonus wrote: I believe that the title of Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man is the first in the franchise where there's no ambiguity. Here, the monster is Frankenstein. Well, it's not that clean cut. In the film, Ilona Massey plays Baroness Elsa Frankenstein who, after all, does meet the Wolf Man.
Buzz Dixon		#4	[-]
Sep 7 09 1:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	And whats wrong with Frankenstein being the name of the monster? Lotsa folks have things named after them: Boycott, Lynch, etc. www.SnokieStories.com www.BuzzDixon.com http://twitter.com/snokiestories
HalLane		#5	[-]
Sep 7 09 1:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	telegonus wrote: The title of Son refers to Wolf, yet he also has a son. There's also an inference that Wolf and the Monster can be regarded as "brothers" (making The Monster the titular "Son"?).
Tom Powers		#6	[-]
Sep 7 09 1:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Frankenstien name confusion seems to date back to the 1820's and the stage versions. Guess it's easier to say "You've created a Frankenstien" rather than "You've created a monster of your own, just as Frankenstein did". Just like Henry Ford created Fords, Victor/Henry/Whoever Frankenstien makes Frankenstiens.
Buzz Dixon		#7	[-]
Sep 7 09 3:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"You can have it in any color you want so long as it's green." www.SnokieStories.com www.BuzzDixon.com http://twitter.com/snokiestories
Tom Powers		#8	[-]
Sep 7 09 4:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts
satchmodog		#9	[-]
Sep 7 09 4:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Buzz Dixon wrote: "You can have it in any color you want so long as it's green." Hilarity
The Batman of Gotham		#10	[-]
Sep 7 09 4:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have always felt that Universal purposely capitalized on the duality of the Frankenstein name, as it can usually be understood two ways in each of the films: FRANKENSTEIN - Henry Frankenstein/The Monster BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN - Elizabeth ( Henry's new Bride )/The Monster's Mate SON OF FRANKENSTEIN - Wolf Von Frankenstein/The Monster ( whom Ygor implies is Wolf's 'brother' ) GHOST OF FRANKENSTEIN - The Apparition of Henry Frankenstein ( who appears to Ludwig )/The Monster ( believed dead by the villagers and thus,figuratively, a 'Ghost' ) FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN - Baroness Elsa Frankenstein/The Monster ( both of whom meet the Wolf Man in one form or another ) HOUSE OF FRANKENSTEIN - Dr. Neimann ( another 'would-be' Frankenstein/The Monster ) - GJS
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The Drunken Severed Head		#11	[-]
Sep 7 09 5:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN can also be understood as referring to the Monster's Mate as being the bride "of" (made by) Henry Frankenstein, as well the bride of the Monster. It's a great title--having three different possible meanings. http://universalmonsterarmy.com/blog/
The Batman of Gotham		#12	[-]
Sep 7 09 7:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Drunken Severed Head wrote: BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN can also be understood as referring to the Monster's Mate as being the bride "of" (made by) Henry Frankenstein, as well the bride of the Monster. It's a great title--having three different possible meanings. I meant to include that! Thanx for sharing it. - GJS
Gadfly		#13	[-]
Sep 8 09 4:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Batman of Gotham wrote: The Drunken Severed Head wrote: BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN can also be understood as referring to the Monster's Mate as being the bride "of" (made by) Henry Frankenstein, as well the bride of the Monster. It's a great title--having three different possible meanings. I meant to include that! Thanx for sharing it. - GJS Yeahbut the problem with that is that Pretorious explicitly christens Elsastein as "The Bride of Frankenstein." That would seem to drop Elizabeth out of the mix. Oh, and of course by the time they got to Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein there was no human Frankenstein left to meet, so the name here would appear to be a pretty much unambiguous reference to the monster himself. Gadfly
The Batman of Gotham		#14	[-]
Sep 8 09 4:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yeahbut the problem with that is that Pretorious explicitly christens Elsastein as "The Bride of Frankenstein." That would seem to drop Elizabeth out of the mix. Christening or no christening, I don't see the title as being exclusive to the monster's mate. - GJS
Dr Borgo		#15	[-]
Sep 8 09 5:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It has been a while since I have watched it, but didn't they address this issue of name confusion in Son of Frankenstein?
Gadfly		#16	[-]
Sep 8 09 6:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Batman of Gotham wrote: Yeahbut the problem with that is that Pretorious explicitly christens Elsastein as "The Bride of Frankenstein." That would seem to drop Elizabeth out of the mix. Christening or no christening, I don't see the title as being exclusive to the monster's mate. - GJS Really? Interesting. Personally, I liked the ambiguity of the title referring to either Elizabeth or the Monster's proposed mate (like the other ambiguous titles listed in the earlier post), and I wish that Whale hadn't had Pretorious "announce" Frankenstein's 2nd creation as the bride. Unfortunately, Pretorious was pretty specific. Given that, why do you feel that it shouldn't be regarded as exclusive? Thanks. Gadfly
Gadfly		#17	[-]
Sep 8 09 6:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dr Borgo wrote: It has been a while since I have watched it, but didn't they address this issue of name confusion in Son of Frankenstein? Are you referring to the train ride scene early in the film where Wolf is saying to his wife, referring to his father, "His name has become synonymous with horror, monsters. Why, nine out of ten people call that misshapen creature of my father's experiments --" and then is interrupted by the conductor announcing the stop name "Frankenstein"? Gadfly
Razzle Bathbone		#18	[-]
Sep 8 09 8:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Exactly! Wolf himself on the train ride says that the people are now calling the monster Frankenstein. Years ago, many many years ago, the local radio stations would oftimes have Halloween bits. Once I remember hearing an interview with Karloff, who was asked whether he was "the Frankenstein Monster" or "Frankenstein". Karloff said that in "Son of..." it was definitely shown that the Monster was also referred to as Frankenstein, and that he, Karloff, never felt he was playing a "monster" anyway! So, young Kevrock the 13th, you may rest assured knowing that King Karloff himself also said that the monster's name was indeed, Frankenstein (that's Franck-en-stine!). Heh heh, I also remember Karloff's appearance on Shindig where he "sang" Monster Mash.
The Batman of Gotham		#19	[-]
Sep 8 09 9:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nXLQAGJoz3k#t=22 It's not the genuine article, but it's close. - GJS Last Edited By: The Batman of Gotham Sep 8 09 9:18 PM. Edited 4 times.
Dr Borgo		#20	[-]
Sep 8 09 10:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Are you referring to the train ride scene early in the film where Wolf is saying to his wife, referring to his father, "His name has become synonymous with horror, monsters. Why, nine out of ten people call that misshapen creature of my father's experiments --" and then is interrupted by the conductor announcing the stop name "Frankenstein"? Yes. That is the scene I was thinking about.
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