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ARGumshoe		#21	[-]
Jun 22 11 4:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Letter from Harper Goff - http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/GOFF%20LETTER.htm edit - I had the above site confused with the site Bob posted. Too many browsers open at once. another edit - The site, www.vulcaniasubmarine.com , also has some interesting behind the scenes pics - http://www.vulcaniasubmar...ehind%20The%20Scenes.htm Last Edited By: ARGumshoe Jun 22 11 6:01 PM. Edited 2 times.
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HalLane		#22	[-]
Jun 22 11 5:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Fascinating read! And interesting that Goff seems to be confusing Vulcania (The Nautilus' birthplace) with Mysterious Island (The Nautilus' final resting place). Either way, the man was a flippin' genius designer.
BijouBob8mm		#23	[-]
Jun 23 11 9:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Cool links, gumshoe! Hal, as a kid I always figured the elderly Nemo took his crippled craft "back home" to the island where it all began. In Verne's 20,000 Leagues, I think Nemo mentions that upon completing the Nautilus they torched the buildings to destroy all evidence of their presence before putting out to sea. (Not as extensive a "scorched earth" policy as Disney's approach.) Nothing to link the island of the first book with that of the sequel in either volume, but in my mind I was connecting the dots. Back when the Disney film had its television debut, one local affiliate cleverly (or was it just coincidence?) ran the Schneer/Harryhausen MYSTERIOUS ISLAND afterwards. I was immediately inspired to pen a story that would bridge the two films together, which ran about 35 handwritten pages. (Thankfully, it's been lost to the ages!) I even shot some 8mm and Super 8 footage with an idea toward doing my own student film. (Stop-motion G.I. Joes in modified diving gear, footage I shot of the Nautilus from the Disney World ride cruising around the lagoon and going into a cave hidden behind a waterfall, ocean and beach location footage done while on vacation, etc.) Overly ambitious, but my biggest drawback was we couldn't come up with anyone who looked like a passable Nemo in high school. (Finally found a guy perfect for the part in college, but by that time finding enough people interested in doing a movie was next to impossible. Everyone was more interested in other "recreational pursuits." I was even working at a state park's lake resort at the time, so I had access to a lot of water and shoreline for potential location filming.) I've still got an idea or two floating around in my head for a couple of Captain Nemo projects, but these will probably be more apt to appear in print rather than onscreen. (Unless Disney wants to make me an offer.) Either way, the man was a flippin' genius designer. Goff designed two of my favorite sci-fi subs; the Nautilus and the Proteus. Last Edited By: BijouBob8mm Jun 23 11 9:29 AM. Edited 2 times.
Friend Z		#24	[-]
Jun 24 11 12:06 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Before seeing this film, I didn't know what a Fabulina Oculina was. Now I know. It's a fish you can get drunk on.
HalLane		#25	[-]
Jun 25 11 3:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: I've still got an idea or two floating around in my head for a couple of Captain Nemo projects, but these will probably be more apt to appear in print rather than onscreen. (Unless Disney wants to make me an offer. You should do it, Bob. A Nemo story about a pd character could easily see print in prose (or graphic novel) form. That 'further adventures' story Dan Speigle did for Gold Key was a fun Disney sequel. A Hammer-y tie in would be a good read. Somebody's got to write one!
BijouBob8mm		#26	[-]
Jun 25 11 3:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's a fish you can get drunk on. I thought that was pickled herring. You should do it, Bob. I've got notes and outlines for a couple of different options, Hal. One would be a bridge between the two Verne books, but I've also got a prequel idea based on material found in both novels. (Although, as we've discussed elsewhere, if you look closely at Verne's books, Mysterious Island is actually set in the wrong year. There's been debate about whether Verne or his publisher is responsible, but 20,000 Leagues is set after the Civil War while the Mysterious Island "sequel" takes place during the War! When Nemo tells the castaways how long ago it was since he last saw Arronax, that would actually relocate the finale of 20,000 Leagues to before the war.) I've also got an idea for a follow-up to Mysterious Island, but that's still pretty sketchy at this point. Sci-fi author Kevin J. Anderson did a novel about Nemo's early years, but it starts to get a bit cluttered as he tries to weave in so much other Verne material into it. (Still a fun read.) The premise is that Nemo and Verne were childhood pals, although this totally ignores Nemo's Indian background. More satisfying is Anderson's takes on The War of The Worlds, The Martian War (written under the name Gabriel Mesta, I believe this book was initially announced as Mr. Wells and the Martians) and his contribution to the anthology War of the Worlds: Global Dispatches. Last Edited By: BijouBob8mm Jun 25 11 3:58 PM. Edited 1 times.
BijouBob8mm	Coming this Christmas!	#27	[-]
Aug 16 11 11:37 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	A Nautilus ornament from Hallmark! http://www.hallmark.com/Browse/Index?n=&ctx=ContentSearchProfile&pg=1&rpp=&sort=&k=nautilus&npath= I want two; one for the tree and one for the bathtub! "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahea----AAAAGGGH! Unplug it! Unplug it!"
Mark Redfield		#28	[-]
Aug 17 11 2:03 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Bob, I checked in a Hallmark store tonight, and was told 2nd week of October and the Nautilus will be out of dry dock and on shelves! Can't wait! Mark Redfield Visit www.redfieldarts.com <
BijouBob8mm		#29	[-]
Aug 17 11 11:58 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I may have to play hooky that day. (Unless, of course, my boss is reading this; in which case, I am having a sudden relapse of Midwestern Malaria. No, not malarkey; malaria!) In the meantime, have a look at what the lads over at FX Models have been up to: http://www.fxmodels.com/NautilusReprised.shtml http://www.fxmodels.com/NautilusReprised2.shtml http://www.fxmodels.com/NautilusReprised3.shtml http://www.fxmodels.com/Naut.shtml http://www.fxmodels.com/Naut2.shtml Last Edited By: BijouBob8mm Aug 17 11 12:28 PM. Edited 1 times.
bipolarber		#30	[-]
Feb 7 12 3:05 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ryanbrennan wrote: A clue to when that model was used is that the bubbles look a bit different. (When the image is projected in Cinemascope, it unsqueezes the miniature, but it also stretches out everything else in the frame.) Something I noticed about some of the bubbles with the minature sub: In some shots, the bubbles spew out and float up, as you would expect, but in other shots, the bubbles spray out in a fine mist but do not rise. The second set of bubbles suggests a "dry" shot in which the sub is spewing some fine grain solid like salt or, even, a water mist. I don't recall reading or hearing anything about simulating bubbles in a dry miniature set. The "wet" shots are usually profile shots of the Nautilus. I noticed the fine mist bubbles in the shots where the Nautilus has to enter the underwater cave to get inside the volcano. I've seen at least one photograph of that model. Me, too. I thought it was in the CFQ article but it's not there. Oddly, in the special feature video, they go on quite a bit about the various size Nautilus' used. Bob Burns is on camera for some of this. They mention three or four different sizes used but never say a word about the "squeezed" Nautilus. Ah! This one I have some info on! The finer "bubbles" the sub is putting out is in fact.... deturgent. It's what a lot of old school FX guys used when doing tank work, to help give a miniature properly scaled "foam" around the prow and in the wake... Mostly, it was used for surface shots, but perhaps Ralph Hammaras (sp?) was experimenting, trying to get scale bubbles for the submerged shots as well. Unlike soap, you don't get the huge bubbles, and it can be filtered out of the tank fairly quickly, so you don't have to dump the tank and start over. (from an interview with A. Arnold Gillespie) "[The audiance] will populate the darkness with more horrors than all the horror writers in Hollywood could think of. If you make the screen dark enough, the mind's eye will read anything into it you want! We're great ones for the dark patches." -VAL LEWTON
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ryanbrennan		#31	[-]
Feb 14 12 1:27 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ah! This one I have some info on! The finer "bubbles" the sub is putting out is in fact.... deturgent. It's what a lot of old school FX guys used when doing tank work, to help give a miniature properly scaled "foam" around the prow and in the wake... Mostly, it was used for surface shots, but perhaps Ralph Hammaras (sp?) was experimenting, trying to get scale bubbles for the submerged shots as well. Unlike soap, you don't get the huge bubbles, and it can be filtered out of the tank fairly quickly, so you don't have to dump the tank and start over. (from an interview with A. Arnold Gillespie) Yes, of course, water surfaces are notoriously difficult when working with miniatures and usually a dead giveway. Underwater not so much as there are no waves or foam to deal with, but there are other problems including properly scaled movement and bubbles, the size of which can be controlled by the opening through which air is being forced. But the real question here is what material was used to simulate the "bubbles" in the dry shots? It's quite well done and very effective. Off the top of my head I don't recall any other sub movies achieving this same effect. Maybe I'm just not remembering so I might have to pull out some of my 1950s submarine films and take a look. Did Gillespie comment on what material was used there?
hermanthegerm	Disney's 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (1954)	#32	[-]
Feb 22 12 10:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Saw this again. It does need a proper time and a space to watch, but still worth watching. - Violence against sharks and sea turtles remains disturbing. - The squid swims the wrong way... And defies gravity... ...but is still really cool. - I missed the scene where Aronax shoots the native over the shell, that should have been in there. The film story judges Nemo harshly, where it should be judging humanity harshly. Peter Lorre's character comes out best, I think. - My Friend The Atom should have been the suplement on this disc. It goes a long way into explaining the whys and the hows of Disney's rendition of the Nautilus. - What exactly is sautee of unborn octopus? But other than that the reaction of the characters eating the food seems out of whack. Especially Ned Land's. Isn't the guy a salty sailor? Why is he behaving like a landlubber? "There is a lot of money tied up in this film and people expect to hear a boom when something blows up, so I'll give them a boom." George Lucas as quoted by Harlan Ellison's WATCHING
Wich2		#33	[-]
Feb 23 12 1:09 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>The film story judges Nemo harshly, where it should be judging humanity harshly.< Seems to me it does both, Herm - and that's good. Yes, Nemo's diagnosis of humanity's wars is on target; but his prescription for the cure is pretty Tim McVeigh!
Rick		#34	[-]
Feb 23 12 1:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	My first viewing of this was a major personal event. Four or five of us rode the bus to Louisville to see 20,000 LEAGUES in its '63 re-release. It was the first time any of us had been allowed to go "over the river" without adult supervision. We felt mighty big and we were very excited to see the movie. But it was a mild disappointment to all of us. I don't think anybody hated it, but the most we could muster was "that was good." And the subject immediately drifted away from the movie. We could spend hours excitedly discussing THE MUMMY, or THE BLOB, or even THE ALLIGATOR PEOPLE, but none of us could muster much enthusiasm for this Disney epic, and I still can't.
hermanthegerm		#35	[-]
Feb 24 12 5:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: >The film story judges Nemo harshly, where it should be judging humanity harshly.< Seems to me it does both, Herm - and that's good. Yeah, but the three "guests" are not only hypocritical, but feel they are morally superior to Nemo, while in the novel the are shown to have the same failings (and they have to accept it when pointed out to them.) "There is a lot of money tied up in this film and people expect to hear a boom when something blows up, so I'll give them a boom." George Lucas as quoted by Harlan Ellison's WATCHING
BijouBob8mm		#36	[-]
Jul 31 12 5:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	- My Friend The Atom should have been the suplement on this disc. It goes a long way into explaining the whys and the hows of Disney's rendition of the Nautilus. That would have been a great addition. I'm still peeved that they didn't include OPERATION UNDERSEA, a behind the scenes look at the film (and a history of man trying to conquer the depths) that had been an episode of the Disneyland TV series (and was included as a bonus on the film's laser disk release). Could have been thrown in with the rest of the goodies found on the double DVD. - What exactly is sautee of unborn octopus? But other than that the reaction of the characters eating the food seems out of whack. Especially Ned Land's. Isn't the guy a salty sailor? Why is he behaving like a landlubber? Ned's a sailor, but of the "meat and potato" variety. Keep in mind Nemo is serving up exotic dishes made from critters not available to your average sea-going vessel. Salted meat, fish, hardtack...the menu on a sailing ship back then was more practical than imaginative. Back in high school biology class, our teacher had a bunch of preserved specimens in bottles...including an unborn squid. Don't recall there being an unborn octopus, but I don't think I'd have the stomach for having what I saw in the lab sauteed and served up for dinner.
hermanthegerm	Disney's 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (1954)	#37	[-]
Jul 31 12 9:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Sure, you can look at it that way, but basically Ned is a stand in of us. If he was a real sailor, he'd have been in other countries where you can't always get meat and potatoes. I'm not saying he'd needed to have gone to Japan or something that specific, where it is likely he'd a had sashimi or something like that, but if you are a world traveler you make do. You have to. San Diego is a Navy town, you always meet people who have gone overseas who are very proud of having been there and eaten that. "There is a lot of money tied up in this film and people expect to hear a boom when something blows up, so I'll give them a boom." George Lucas as quoted by Harlan Ellison's WATCHING Last Edited By: hermanthegerm Jul 31 12 9:03 PM. Edited 1 times.
BijouBob8mm		#38	[-]
Aug 1 12 9:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	it is likely he'd a had sashimi But Nemo's larder seems stocked from deeper resources than anyone else in the world would have ever had access to. (Then again, maybe it's just that whole "unborn" thing. And Nemo seems to take more than a slight bit of delight in trying to mess with his guests. For instance, his timing about revealing what Ned's "pudding" really is once our boy has decided to take a taste.)
BijouBob8mm		#39	[-]
Oct 19 12 9:59 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here's a site to explore, with plenty of treasures tucked away (with thanks to our very own thephanfullerton!): http://20kride.com/
scotpens		#40	[-]
Oct 23 12 3:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: I've also got an idea for a follow-up to Mysterious Island, but that's still pretty sketchy at this point. . . The premise is that Nemo and Verne were childhood pals, although this totally ignores Nemo's Indian background. I've always had a problem with stories in which established fictional characters co-exist in the same reality with the authors who created them. For me, it destroys the suspension of disbelief. YMMV.
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