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ThunderScore	GODZILLA, What Terrible Language...	#41	[-]
Jun 18 09 12:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	In MEGALON, I thought some of the "mature" language used by the "But Still, I Reckon" voice talent was pretty thoughtless and unnecessary. I can understand Cultural Differences regarding sex, violence etc, but the English-dubbed version is supposed to be prepared for Western audiences, specifically children...
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Hachigatsu		#42	[-]
Jun 18 09 1:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The japanese language has their own less polite words, which can be used as curses, such as Kuso or Shimatta, roughly transliterated as damn, dammit, or more loosely (no pun intended), sht; Shimatta* is still polite enough for ladies to utter. There's also Chikusho, literally, beast/animal, which serves as the equivalent to bastard in our reference. Kisama or Teme are also variations of calling someone a bastard, jerk, a-hole, etc. -me at the end of a name, such as ThunderScore, would be Damned ThunderScore!. Still, these words are used across the board by children and adults, alike, and are just less polite, and are not forbidden, unlike their much stronger western counterparts. The dubbers of MEGALON could have used, drats, jerks, darn, etc., but they didn't. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
BijouBob8mm		#43	[-]
Jun 18 09 4:00 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Interestingly, we're soooo hung up on nudity in this culture, that you pointed this out, but didn't mention how incredibly violent those films (HEDORAH through TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA) are (Chuckling here.) There are a couple of reasons for that. On those films, I either saw toned down TV versions or first saw them on video long after the fact and didn't know what was originally shown theatrically in the U.S. back in the day. (HEDORAH was the last film to play theatrically in my area, but don't recall getting to go see it at the time.) And I don't think I'd ever heard about there being nudity in a Godzilla film prior to TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA, and don't recall seeing any nudity in a Godzila film after that. (Although my memories may be wrong about that; I know you'd know for sure, August.) I guess for it to appear in one film made it stand out more than if it had been something from Hammer Films, where that was a more common element. I do recall being very surprised, during my first viewing of GODZILLA VS. THE COSMIC MONSTER, at how much blood-spewing there was.
ThunderScore		#44	[-]
Jun 18 09 5:41 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hachigatsu wrote: The dubbers of MEGALON could have used, drats, jerks, darn, etc., but they didn't. ...And that's my point, darn it....
Hachigatsu		#45	[-]
Jun 18 09 5:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	A sign of the times, TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA was made during the apex of nudity and extreme violence in Japanese Cinema, so in that context, the real context, it makes sense (see Toho's own LONE WOLF & CUB movie series from the same period for displays of massive arterial showers). Judging the Godzilla films as if they exist in a vacuum all their own would make these elements seem disjointed, but again, in the context of Japanese Cinema of the 1970s, it was par for course. Several Toho fantasy films of the period, THE BLOODTHIRSTY ROSES (1973), SUBMERSION OF JAPAN (1973), ESPY (1974) and CATASTROPHE: 1999 (1974), all feature female nudity or erotic scenes. Interestingly, an early post-occupation murder mystery from Toho, THE VAMPIRE MOTH (1956), features nude scenes -- of course, it's because they're nude figure models... August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
TheCreep		#46	[-]
Jun 18 09 8:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ThunderScore wrote: In MEGALON, I thought some of the "mature" language used by the "But Still, I Reckon" voice talent was pretty thoughtless and unnecessary. I can understand Cultural Differences regarding sex, violence etc, but the English-dubbed version is supposed to be prepared for Western audiences, specifically children... "But still"...lol Oh man if I had a dime every time I heard that in a Shaw Brothers martial arts movie, I'd be a billionaire. Here's a bit: "But still...in any case, in this town, they have police, and a judge, and, (hmmph) they're real tough." "Hmmph, right, but still, Boss says we still have to take revenge. But I hear say, that Chief #5 Aluminum Can's kung fu skills, are the best.." "Hmmph, right. Aluminum Can, is the toughest of the 3 Chiefs, we'll no doubt have a hard time opening him up.." I love it...it adds a charm that you have to experience to enjoy. It puts the "bad" in bad. Not to mention that Chief #3 Aluminum Can....
BijouBob8mm		#47	[-]
Jun 19 09 8:55 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Judging the Godzilla films as if they exist in a vacuum all their own would make these elements seem disjointed, but again, in the context of Japanese Cinema of the 1970s, it was par for course. Oh to have had the information access back then that we do today! You could only learn so much from Famous Monsters of Filmland or Castle of Frankenstein! (And no liner notes on those 8mm digests!!!) Several Toho fantasy films of the period, THE BLOODTHIRSTY ROSES (1973), SUBMERSION OF JAPAN (1973), ESPY (1974) and CATASTROPHE: 1999 (1974), all feature female nudity or erotic scenes. Interestingly, an early post-occupation murder mystery from Toho, THE VAMPIRE MOTH (1956), features nude scenes -- of course, it's because they're nude figure models... I hope we one day get to see some of these come to DVD. (Especially BLOODTHIRSTY ROSES!) I guess the nudity in those, which I had heard about, didn't surprise me since (unlike Godzilla) those were not primarily aimed at a younger audience. (But when I say that, I'm using the mindset I had as an American teen in the Seventies.) Did Japanese cinema use any form of rating system (either back in the day or today, or can anyone see pretty much anything?)
OtiGoji	What about Ghidrah?	#48	[-]
Jun 19 09 10:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ArmandV101 wrote: Los Angeles, check. Yes, and it was heavily promoted, too. It started off bad for me (I guess I didn't "get" the funny parts w/ Belushi) and when the movie started it got worse fast. I started drinking heavily and can't memember much else. Does anyone remember GHIDRAH: THE THREE HEADED MONSTER on TV in summer 1967? It was on Los Angeles TV, but it was so heavily promoted (maybe as a premiere?) that I thouoght it was on a network. Probably wrong, but does anyone else remember a primetime airing of G:TT-HM during the "Summer of Love?"
Hachigatsu		#49	[-]
Jun 19 09 10:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: Did Japanese cinema use any form of rating system (either back in the day or today, or can anyone see pretty much anything?) Yes, it's an agency called "Eirin", which is akin to the MPAA here in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eirin August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA Last Edited By: Hachigatsu Jun 19 09 10:44 PM. Edited 1 times.
Godziwolf		#50	[-]
Jun 20 09 11:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hachigatsu wrote: That doesn't count... it's not, and never will be, a true Godzilla film. Besides, when I mean "Godzilla film", I'm talking only about the Japanese productions. You're really going to make a "True Scotsman" argument? Hell, Toho counts it.
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Hachigatsu		#51	[-]
Jun 21 09 4:07 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Of course they do... Is KING KONG LIVES a King Kong movie? But, the real question is, is it a real Godzilla film? The answer is no. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
DerGolem		#52	[-]
Jul 4 09 11:18 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hachigatsu wrote: Of course they do... Is KING KONG LIVES a King Kong movie? But, the real question is, is it a real Godzilla film? The answer is no. But regardless of whether or not it's a real Godzilla film (whatever that means), Godzilla 98 is nevertheless still part of the series especially since Toho made the decision to reference the events of the film in Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack and then actually use Zilla as a character in Final Wars. Like it or not Godzilla 98 is a film fans are going to have to learn to live with. Plus the animated series based on it was pretty awesome. Last Edited By: DerGolem Jul 4 09 11:22 AM. Edited 1 times.
Hachigatsu		#53	[-]
Jul 7 09 2:02 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's not part of the series; it's a stand-alone film. And it should be forgotten. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
WaverBoy		#54	[-]
Jul 7 09 3:03 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Whether GODZILLA ('98) is a real Godzilla film or not, boy is it ever rotten. What a gigantic pile of overproduced, underimagined sh*t.
Hachigatsu		#55	[-]
Jul 7 09 3:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The throw-away dialogue wasn't Toho's -- it was that of the director and the screenwriter -- and the conclusion of the exchange was, "That wasn't Godzilla." So, since Toho also recognizes the 1977 Hanna-Barbera cartoon and the Sony animated series, they are both "cannon" as well? What about Godzooky? Or Toho's own GODZILLA ISLAND featuring Bandai Godzilla Series vinyl toys playing out the monsters... is that cannon, too? We don't have to accept any of them, just because they were produced, any more than we have to acknowledge DRACULA VS. FRANKENSTEIN when discussing BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
joker5339		#56	[-]
Jul 7 09 5:35 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	WaverBoy wrote: Whether GODZILLA ('98) is a real Godzilla film or not, boy is it ever rotten. What a gigantic pile of overproduced, underimagined sh*t. I actually feel it a fine monster movie, just not a good GODZILLA movie.
Hachigatsu		#57	[-]
Jul 7 09 6:16 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pretty much. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
DerGolem		#58	[-]
Jul 8 09 1:50 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hachigatsu wrote: It's not part of the series; it's a stand-alone film. And it should be forgotten. Its kind of hard to forget about it when the monster (Zilla) shows up in Godzilla Final Wars, or should we exclude that film as well?
DerGolem		#59	[-]
Jul 8 09 1:59 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hachigatsu wrote: The throw-away dialogue wasn't Toho's -- it was that of the director and the screenwriter -- and the conclusion of the exchange was, "That wasn't Godzilla." So, since Toho also recognizes the 1977 Hanna-Barbera cartoon and the Sony animated series, they are both "cannon" as well? What about Godzooky? Or Toho's own GODZILLA ISLAND featuring Bandai Godzilla Series vinyl toys playing out the monsters... is that cannon, too? We don't have to accept any of them, just because they were produced, any more than we have to acknowledge DRACULA VS. FRANKENSTEIN when discussing BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. Well Toho dose choose to acknoweldge the Zone Fighter TV series as cannon with its cameos by Godzilla, Gigan, and Ghidorah. But I think discussing animated and toy-animated series is a little bit different since its a seperate medium, just like Godzilla novels and comics. Also Frankenstein is not a fair comparison. One studio dosen't have to sign off on every Frankenstein film made, Toho dose have to sign off on everything that bares Godzilla's name and that includes the 1998 TriStar film. I honestly think that some fans let their own bitterness towards that movie effect their opinion of it way too much. I personally don't care much for Godzilla vs. Hedorah while some fans I know despise Godzilla vs. Megalon. But I don't hear me or them saying that those movies aren't Godzilla movies and don't deserve to be cannon.
Hachigatsu		#60	[-]
Jul 8 09 6:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The difference is that ZONE FIGHTER is good. August Ragone Author EIJI TSUBURAYA: MASTER OF MONSTERS Blog THE GOOD, THE BAD AND GODZILLA
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