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Carl Eyesnheart		#141	[-]
Dec 30 10 12:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have an article here where Rogen breaks down the history of the Hornet, speaking about each era, and how he wanted to pay tribute to each era in the film. He seems to actually be a fan of the character, and knows enough about it. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
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Dr Acula		#142	[-]
Dec 30 10 1:35 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The current longer sneak preview trailer seems to have a shot of Christine Nguyen in it! And yes, the team seemed to set out and make a good superhero film in a modern style while respecting the history, I'm hoping it's good.
ArmandV101		#143	[-]
Dec 30 10 1:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Dr Acula wrote: The current longer sneak preview trailer seems to have a shot of Christine Nguyen in it! And yes, the team seemed to set out and make a good superhero film in a modern style while respecting the history, I'm hoping it's good. I haven't seen the trailer yet, but Christine is definitely in the movie. Armand's Rancho del Cielo
Wich2		#144	[-]
Dec 30 10 4:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"film in a modern style" But does that ALWAYS have to contain a certain degree of mockery/camp goofy shitte?
BijouBob8mm		#145	[-]
Dec 30 10 4:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Has anyone been reading the comic book from Dynamite, based on Kevin Smith's unfilmed HORNET screenplay?
Carl Eyesnheart		#146	[-]
Dec 30 10 9:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: "film in a modern style" But does that ALWAYS have to contain a certain degree of mockery/camp goofy shitte? I don't know, all I really see is humor in it, and sarcasm. I don't know about you, but a day rarely goes by where I am not joking around with somebody in my life, and laughing. If I was venturing into this type of life that we will be seeing in the film, I am pretty sure I would be giddy beyond belief, and also laughing just out of nervousness. What I don't get, is that everybody is complaining about all things. The Batman films people complain about being "too dark". Same goes for any other superhero with a dark edge. "Oh, it's too dark, why does everything have to be dark?" Now here we have folks complaining about the humor in the film! Well kids, what the heck do you want??? What I see in the trailers is a film shooting for a lot of action, with a sense of humor. This does NOT look like a full on comedy. This does NOT look like a uber-dark depressing CROW style film (which did have humor in it). This movie, to me, looks like a middle of the road film, in attitude. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Wich2		#147	[-]
Dec 30 10 10:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Carl, you make your point well - and I hope you're right. But to me - admittedly, based on the clips & trailer to date - it looks like what we get here is at least to a degree the laughing AT a piece, not WITH it. Like the worst parts of the Reeves Supes films, rather than the best parts? Happy New Year, -Craig
will		#148	[-]
Dec 30 10 11:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Carl Eyesnheart wrote: I have an article here where Rogen breaks down the history of the Hornet, speaking about each era, and how he wanted to pay tribute to each era in the film. He seems to actually be a fan of the character, and knows enough about it. I don't see any evidence based on the trailer he understands the GH. Yeah, you can throw in a little humor, but the approach is all wrong. Rogen looks and sounds like he is channeling John Belushi in Animal House.
drmedula		#149	[-]
Dec 31 10 8:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Actually, this "doofus hero with supercompetent martial arts sidekick" thing is making me think of BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA.
Wich2		#150	[-]
Dec 31 10 9:44 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"doofus hero with supercompetent ... sidekick" That's also every silly Lone Ranger joke for about the last 60 years.
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BijouBob8mm		#151	[-]
Dec 31 10 11:01 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't know, all I really see is humor in it, and sarcasm. I don't know about you, but a day rarely goes by where I am not joking around with somebody in my life, and laughing. I think the concern with THE GREEN HORNET is that the emphasis will be on comedy rather than crimefighting, in an era where that type of thing doesn't play well at the box office. A lot of audiences didn't like the comedic aspects of THE FANTASTIC FOUR films, which turned the no-nonsense take-charge Reed Richards from the comics and added touches of geeky goofball. (Watch him bust a move on the dance floor during his bachelor party in that second film.) And certainly the Roger Moore-era James Bond caught flack from some 007 fans (then and now) for playing the character too light. (Think of Bond dangling like Inspector Clouseau from the back of the fire engine in A VIEW TO A KILL.) While some heroes, such as Spider-Man, have long had humor in their characters, the Green Hornet was always darker in tone. Not every hero has to crack a quip at the end of a scene, and not every actor can pull that kind of thing off with style. (Imagine, for example, Ashton Kutcher as the new Dirty Harry trying to get a line like "Go ahead, make my day" come off with class.)
will		#152	[-]
Dec 31 10 1:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: I don't know, all I really see is humor in it, and sarcasm. I don't know about you, but a day rarely goes by where I am not joking around with somebody in my life, and laughing. I think the concern with THE GREEN HORNET is that the emphasis will be on comedy rather than crimefighting, in an era where that type of thing doesn't play well at the box office. A lot of audiences didn't like the comedic aspects of THE FANTASTIC FOUR films, which turned the no-nonsense take-charge Reed Richards from the comics and added touches of geeky goofball. (Watch him bust a move on the dance floor during his bachelor party in that second film.) And certainly the Roger Moore-era James Bond caught flack from some 007 fans (then and now) for playing the character too light. (Think of Bond dangling like Inspector Clouseau from the back of the fire engine in A VIEW TO A KILL.) While some heroes, such as Spider-Man, have long had humor in their characters, the Green Hornet was always darker in tone. Not every hero has to crack a quip at the end of a scene, and not every actor can pull that kind of thing off with style. (Imagine, for example, Ashton Kutcher as the new Dirty Harry trying to get a line like "Go ahead, make my day" come off with class.) The examples given aren't that bad compared to what Rogen is going to do to the Hornet in the trailer. I think the Hornet can do with a little lighter approach. He has always been too grim (and dull) for my taste. But what Rogen is doing is a radical departure. First, physically he is miscast. But instead of trying to compensate for it by taking a more sober approach, he is trying to make the character like the ones he usually plays, a goofy slacker. That might be okay if he started that way, but became more serious, but it appears he is going to be a goofball through the entire movie. If you are going to do a spoof, go all the way. But instead it looks like they are trying to have it both ways and it doesn't look good. The director says GH and superhero fans hated early screenings, but other moviegoers like it. If you can't get the fan base to see it on the opening weekend, will others go in sufficient numbers to make it a moneymaker?
BijouBob8mm		#153	[-]
Dec 31 10 2:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	He has always been too grim (and dull) for my taste. Adam West, anyone? Seriously, though, this looks like a comic book-based film intended for non-comic book fans...which kind of defeats the purpose. Prior to his turn at Batman, there had been talk of doing the Hornet years ago with George Clooney. I think, with the right script, he would have been good at it. (Had the script been right, I think he would have been remembered as a good Batman.)
Dr Acula		#154	[-]
Dec 31 10 2:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What I hope that will come with a lighter approach is more of an adventurous feel, and less of the unrelentingly grim attempts at realism that so many of our fantasy films take these days.
davlghry		#155	[-]
Dec 31 10 2:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The Green Hornet has a very limited fan base, so taking liberties with the character isn't going to offend too many people. I, too, hope that the lighter approach will make the film more fun.
BijouBob8mm		#156	[-]
Dec 31 10 4:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What I hope that will come with a lighter approach is more of an adventurous feel, and less of the unrelentingly grim attempts at realism that so many of our fantasy films take these days. Good point, and one that really needs to be taken on a case-by-case basis. For example, Ridley Scott's ALIEN was the perfect example of a subject where grim and grime were a part of the mix. (Funny, after STAR WARS everything was whiz-bang. After ALIEN, it all had to be dark and dirty.) And, in the case of Batman (given his earliest incarnation in the comics), that's a hero whose world is dark. But when I hear a studio say they want to grunge up Superman ala Batman, then I cringe. The Green Hornet has a very limited fan base, so taking liberties with the character isn't going to offend too many people. I agree with that to a degree. But, having said that, let's look back at Adam West's BATMAN. Loved it as a kid and still have nostalgia for it today, but is that campy version of the Caped Crusader the way we would want everyone to think Batman is? (Over 20 years passed between Adam West and the next attempt at a live-action Dark Knight.) Granted, Batman's got better PR than the Green Hornet, so most people who first met Batman via the Sixties series now knows what the character is really like. But is Drunken Frat Boy Hornet really how we want most people to first encounter the character? You only get one chance to make a good first impression. If this comes out and botches the character, or comes across as an Iron Man-wannabe because Reed is suddenly an alcoholic party boy ala Tony Stark, no one will ever want to give the Green Hornet a second thought. It's been a long time since we've seen a new Hornet, and if this doesn't get it right then it will be a long time before we ever see another. (And advance word on the advance screenings has not been overly promising.)
davlghry		#157	[-]
Dec 31 10 5:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Bob, with all respect, what is there to get "right" about the Green Hornet? He seems interchangeable with hundreds of other costumed/masked crimefighters. The radio and TV Britt Reids were pretty bland and standard. I think the only reason the TV show lingers in memory is because of Bruce Lee and to a lesser degree, the Black Beauty. If I had to pick any masked hero from the past to go a little wild with, it would have to be the Green Hornet.
will		#158	[-]
Dec 31 10 6:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The fan base is comic book fans of all ages, some currently readers, some not, not necessarily specific fans of the Hornet and it is a pretty big base, which is why these type of movies get premiered at comic book conventions and bad word of mouth there isn't good, and this reportedly wasn't well received. The director conceeds that the reaction was very hostile. Rogen was cast for the same reason Jack Black was seriously considered for Green Lantern, he's box office (remember when Eddie Murphy was going to play GH?). But they are wrong casting even with a more humorous approach. They are releasing this in January, traditionally dumping month for Hollywood.
davlghry		#159	[-]
Dec 31 10 6:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know there was a Green Hornet comic in the 40's, then about three issues from Gold Key in the 60's to coincide with the TV series and various attempts to revive the hero and make him relevant in more recent times. But does the character really have enough fans to make a difference in the success or failure of the upcoming film? I don't mean to be argumentative but it seems that the lack of a major fan base for the Hornet would be the main reason to take a chance on a different or revisionist approach. I don't know about the quality of the film but I did read that it's tracking well.
Carl Eyesnheart		#160	[-]
Dec 31 10 9:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: He has always been too grim (and dull) for my taste. Adam West, anyone? Seriously, though, this looks like a comic book-based film intended for non-comic book fans...which kind of defeats the purpose. Prior to his turn at Batman, there had been talk of doing the Hornet years ago with George Clooney. I think, with the right script, he would have been good at it. (Had the script been right, I think he would have been remembered as a good Batman.) A comic book movie being made for non-comic fans is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, and what every single comic book based movie tries to do. If they only made them for the comic fans, they would only sell about 100,000 tickets. There just are not enough comic books fans for them to be a major concern. The idea is to use a familiar enough name that most people will recognize, and then try and make it look like a fun movie. If they piss off the 1,000 die hard fans of Green Hornet, the studio doesn't really care. If they please the rest of the people who will see the name and think "hey...my dad (grandfather...whoever) used to listen to those old radio shows...this looks like fun" and the studio strikes that little chord of nostalgia, then that is what they are REALLY after. They are not making this for the original fans of Green Hornet, as most of them are either dead, or don't care about this stuff that much anymore. They are trying to find a NEW fan of Green Hornet, and maybe with a little luck for us, those new fans will also love the old stuff, and help keep it around for years to come. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
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