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Grant	Granger and Fox version	Lead	[-]
Dec 16 08 12:48 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I've heard some really negative opinions, but does anyone here like the Stewart Granger and Bernard Fox version of Hound of the Baskervilles? I've never seen it completely (or at all in a long while), but I'm still sentimental about it for two slender reasons. First, I always remember that it was shown as an ABC Movie of the Week, and as many people have mentioned here, a movie feature (even one without an onscreen host) easily becomes like a show in its own right. Second, the idea of Bernard Fox as Dr. Watson somehow just seems very right to me. But that's because of the influence of Nigel Bruce - he seems like a really fitting successor to Bruce. And I know a lot of people hate HIS Watson.
Ted Newsom		#1	[-]
Dec 16 08 5:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I remember being vastly underwhelmed, but I'm probably older and fogier than you. I liked Granger (I stood next to him once at a party at Lynn Redgrave's; too impressed to see hi, but we exchanged meaningless small talk.)-- and a liked Sherlock Holmes. But Holmes and Granger together...oy. Berneard Fox did seem like an imitation Watson, which...dear me, Mr. Fox, dear me... after seeing Andre Morrell in HOUND, unh-uh. And the "moor" looked like the dry old Universal back lot. Very disappointing. But I guess if you were a kid, it's about the neatest thing ever. Nothing wrong with that.
Grant		#2	[-]
Dec 16 08 6:32 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thank you for the comments. Again, it's not that I knew it a bit well, it's just that in my case, something as small as a promo can make me permanently attached to something. And it was probably the first time I heard that title, and probably among the first times I heard of Sherlock Holmes, period.
Lawrence Nepodahl		#3	[-]
Dec 16 08 7:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You know, the person I like in this version is- John Williams, playing the part of Mr. Frankland. Of course, I've always been a fan of his acting.
ryanbrennan		#4	[-]
Dec 16 08 11:32 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This film also uses music by Bernard Herrmann from, if I recall correctly, MYSTERIOUS ISLAND. I remember liking the film but haven't seen in such a long time.
BijouBob8mm		#5	[-]
Jan 2 09 3:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	While I liked Stewart Granger in things like GREEN FIRE and KING SOLOMON'S MINES, I have to admit I found myself wincing throughout this version of HOUND. (If memory serves, it was the pilot for a proposed Holmes series.) I can only imagine that Bernard Fox was told to imitate Nigel Bruce's Watson, based on what we see onscreen. There's just something about this that feels soulless. I liked Granger (I stood next to him once at a party at Lynn Redgrave's...) Well, maybe it's just because I've always been a sucker for redheads, but I would have been trying to stand next to Lynn....
Gord Shriver		#6	[-]
Jan 2 09 5:24 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't remember this fondly, either. I'd forgotten John Williams was in it--haven't seen it since it first aired--but I do remember William Shatner was, too. There were some great TV-movies in those days, but this wasn't one of them.
Tom Powers		#7	[-]
Jan 2 09 8:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's okay for a TV movie -- and no better than okay in any respect, IMHO.
Terry Pace		#8	[-]
Jan 3 09 1:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I taped this off Sleuth a few months ago and was surprised that I liked it better now than I did when I was nine or ten. That's probably the Low Expectations Factor at work. However, with a cast like that and the fact that it's Holmes and his Hound, I'm relatively easy to please. Give me Rathbone, Cushing or Richardson's Hound any old day (I love Brett, but that one was a bore), but this old Granger/Fox oddity was diverting enough as a slight change of pace. Plus, like several of us, I tend to be rather nostalgic for that whole "Golden Age of TV Movies" period of the early to mid-'70s (before the miniseries came along and killed the form). Even the worst of those films look like classics compared to most of the made-for-TV movies today (Sci-Fi Channel, anyone?). Like Ted, I may be oldier and fogier than some of you . . . but those were the days! Terry Pace pillaroffire@bellsouth.net "They're going to have to think up a lot of new adjectives when I come back!" -- Carl Denham (Robert Armstrong) in King Kong (1933)
Siouxsie Sue		#9	[-]
Jan 3 09 7:18 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This was a TV production? I wonder if we ever got it over here. This is the first I've ever heard of it, literally. I can't imagine Granger as Holmes at all, tho.
Grant		#10	[-]
Jan 3 09 11:58 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I didn't know it was TV-made, but always felt as though it was for OTHER reasons. As I said, anything I ever saw preceded by the logo and announcer for CBS Late Movie, ABC Movie of the Week, or any of a dozen others, from then on FEELS like it's part of that "show." And I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I agrre with Terry Pace. I usually hate to label things, but any given early ' 70s TVM is part of a "club" to me, one that I get a little gushy just thinking about.
SEXTON BLAKE		#11	[-]
Jan 4 09 11:07 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I remember this running in the UK in the 70's as a part of the Mystery Movie series. Channel 5 have shown it a few times. Part of the score is from Cape Fear.
HalLane		#12	[-]
Jan 4 09 2:28 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Grant wrote: I always remember that it was shown as an ABC Movie of the Week, and as many people have mentioned here, a movie feature (even one without an onscreen host) easily becomes like a show in its own right. I actually taped that Movie of the Week premiere (audio, of course, reel to reel), and listened to it often in subsequent months/years. Probably because of Shatner being in it, and me just beginning to groove on the Star Trek reruns in syndication at the time. But yes, it was definitely made-for-tv. The music that stands out for me was the theme from Wm. Castle's THE NIGHT WALKER ( Vic Mizzy, was it?). Dang, that was catchy. Storywise, being unfamiliar with the plot, I remember the Baskerville portrait of a thinly disguised Shatner being a big giveaway. Granger-wise, I remember him as being too slick and silver haired to make a proper Holmes, and the deerstalker hat and tweed cape just looked cartoonish. But audio-wise, it actually plays better without pictures than the audio reel-to-reel version of the Hammer HOUND that I also used to listen to. Mostly due to the music, I suppose.
sirharryflashman		#13	[-]
Jan 4 09 2:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	First aired as an ABC "Movie of the Weekend" on Saturday, February 12, 1972 at 8:30 PM. (Info gleaned from the photo release data attached to back of the still shown below) Hal, I don't think the painting was the obvious giveaway, but the flashback sequence with Shatner as Sir Hugo Baskerville might have been the culprit. Cheers, Charles Prepolec Gaslight Grimoire Blog: News, Interviews and Updates Sherlock Holmes News: Sherlock Holmes in Films, Books and Media
HalLane		#14	[-]
Jan 4 09 5:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sirharryflashman wrote: Hal, I don't think the painting was the obvious giveaway, but the flashback sequence with Shatner as Sir Hugo Baskerville might have been the culprit. Egad, Sir, you've done it again! Yes, I'm sure you're right about the Shat-flashback, Charles. It's amazing what tricks the mind can play after merely 37 (!) years. And may I say what a fortuitous foto you have in your collection there -- that's a beaut.
sirharryflashman		#15	[-]
Jan 4 09 10:25 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Happy to be of service. When I went to see which stills I had from this production I was amused to find that the above was one of them. Cheers, Charles Prepolec Gaslight Grimoire Blog: News, Interviews and Updates Sherlock Holmes News: Sherlock Holmes in Films, Books and Media
Wich2		#16	[-]
Jan 5 09 12:30 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Did anyone mention that this was actually a Pilot? (Was there another thread on this somewhere..?) If memory serves, ABC hoped to establish a "mystery wheel" series like NBC's, including other characters.
SEXTON BLAKE		#17	[-]
Jan 5 09 12:36 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nick Carter was another with Robert Conrad and HIldegarde Withers but the actress name escapes me.
BijouBob8mm		#18	[-]
Jan 5 09 1:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Give me Rathbone, Cushing or Richardson's Hound any old day (I love Brett, but that one was a bore) Big a fan of Jeremy Brett as I am, I have to admit his version of HOUND was a let-down. Did anyone mention that this was actually a Pilot? Unless I'm confusing my threads, I think I mentioned that somewhere up above. Universal's television division made it for ABC.
Wich2		#19	[-]
Jan 5 09 2:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Right you are, Eminent Sherlockian Bob! (Wasn't properly caffeinated, I guess!)
BijouBob8mm		#20	[-]
Jan 5 09 3:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wasn't properly caffeinated, I guess! Mrs. Hudson! You're needed!!!

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