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gfanikf |
Wow those Bond Blu-rays have some hardcore issues! |
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So I try and start up Dr. No on my parents new Samsung it goes to the menu, it goes to any of the sub menus and after selecting something, it goes right back
to the menu! Happy I just rented this, but has anyone heard of this problem yet?
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Brent Gair |
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Unfortunately, lots of people had lots of issues with the Bond movies on various standalone players so you're in common company (I don't want to say
"good" company). I know a few companies have recently issued some firmware updates to deal wit the issues.
This is a huge annoyance for Blu-ray buyers and I think the need for regular updates is really unacceptable. If not dealt with soon, there will be a lot of unhappy people after Christmas. Having said all of that, I hate to sound like a commercial for the PS3, but NONE of these problems affect PS3 users. I did a single update to my PS3 six months ago bringing it up to profile 2.0. It has never stumbled on a single frame of ANY disc. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY is reputed to be the most diffilcult of the Bond discs. I've watched it twice with the PS3 and it went as smooth as glass. I will confess I don't have Dr. No. Somebody should take the guts out of a PS3 and package them into a premium standalone. |
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gfanikf |
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Having said all of that, I hate to sound like a commercial for the PS3, but NONE of these problems affect PS3 users. I did a single update to my PS3 six months ago bringing it up to profile 2.0. It has never stumbled on a single frame of ANY disc. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY is reputed to be the most diffilcult of the Bond discs. I've watched it twice with the PS3 and it went as smooth as glass. I will confess I don't have Dr. No. Don't worry I've been saying the same thing myself.
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SAM33 |
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The Bonds (well, FROM RUSSIA and THUNDERBALL) play fine on my Sony 350 - so far that or the 550 is the standalone I'd recommend, makes a bit of sense since
like the PS3 they're Sony. Kind of what Brent says, "Somebody should take the guts out of a PS3 and package them into a premium standalone. "
Seems to be basically what these are.
But I agree the single biggest thing they have to address is the update and incompatibility issues - like it or not, for Blu to have wide acceptance and real lasting power they've got to have affordable and reliable dedicated players. I have it but still kind of hate it because of all this - HD shoulda won and movie buffs at least would all be happier. SAM33 |
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jaymazing |
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I'd like to point out that if you have a Panasonic Blu-ray player, they work fine too.
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Brent Gair |
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Yeah...we have to get past these compatibility problems to encourage wider acceptance. This kind of stuff is not unexpected for the early adopter techno-geek.
But when I see over 200 BD players stacked up the Best Buy, it's obvious we've moved beyond the phase one adopters. We can't assume that everybody
has high speed net access and the ability to use it effectively. Most people in the real world don't read video forums everyday and don't make
themselves aware of new firmware updates and how to apply them. Nor should they have to. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that, when you buy a Blu-ray
Disc player it will play Blu-ray discs. And, in the vast majority of cases, that's true.
But I can imagine a Christmas morning when somebody gets a new BD player, throws in Dr. No and nothing happens except an endless loop of menus. That's a big dissappointment and a quick trip to the post Xmas returns counter. That's bad for everybody. Bad for the people who looked forward to their new BD player. Bad for the companies that made and sold the player which has just been returned. Bad for me because wider aceptance means more movies that I want to buy. |
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Joe Karlosi |
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I've learned about this problem too, which is unacceptable - as is having to "upgrade firmware" or whatever it is, in order to get all BDs to
play properly.
I guess I got lucky and picked the right player though; I have the 6 new Bond Blu-rays and they play fine in my Sony BDP-S350.
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gfanikf |
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But I can imagine a Christmas morning when somebody gets a new BD player, throws in Dr. No and nothing happens except an endless loop of menus. That's a big dissappointment and a quick trip to the post Xmas returns counter. That's bad for everybody. Bad for the people who looked forward to their new BD player. Bad for the companies that made and sold the player which has just been returned. Bad for me because wider aceptance means more movies that I want to buy. Yeah, I am very happy I rented them, but man I can't imagine how awful that would be to get these brand new BD and player and have nothing work. Well lets see if the recent firmware does the trick.
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gfanikf |
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Well Firmware update worked. Still this isn't some weird rare movie, they should really be putting notes in the BD or even the players telling people to
update or including firmware cds. Though I don't know who is more to blame Sony or Samsung?
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dhtreptow |
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NEVER BUY SAMSUNG, NEVER BUY SAMSUNG, NEVER BUY SAMSUNG
That's my sage wisdom for the day |
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gfanikf |
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dhtreptow wrote: I wouldn't go that far, my TV and other items I've bought from them are fine, plus it can't be worse than the first DVD player I got. A awful useless RCA that was 270 dollars lol.
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Joe Karlosi |
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My 46" HDTV is a Samsung.
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GhostofChaneysLiver |
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I've owned Samsung DVD players in the past and never had a problem with them.
I'm curious about this having to download firmware business. Is that only a Sony thing? I picked up a cheap Blu-Ray player (an Insignia) at Best Buy last month and haven't had any problem playing discs. My PS3 plays everything without hassle as well. If I had the issues as others described above -- that would turn me off BR for sure. Cromwell |
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Joe Karlosi |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I THINK the firmware update thing is often if you want to access the "BD LIVE" features, or play things on your PC
(I'm not interested in either). But I have also heard that, if new features for Blu-ray are introduced down the line, your players may have to be
"firmware upgraded" to accept them. I just think that sucks, and if it turns ME off, then it's going to confuse and turn off many average folks
who may want to get into the format. Why bother?
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Chesterbelloc |
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The reason for the firmware updates is often because of the use of Java for the menus; this was the case with the Bond BD's. Many of the stand alone
players don't have the horsepower to process all of the info on some of these menus, and they get stuck. The firmware update corrects that, though things
can't continue in this fashion. The PS3 has a lot more horsepower, and is able to load all of this new crap with few problems.
This is one of the reasons I wanted HD DVD to win; the discs were manufactured in the same basic way as a standard DVD, and they didn't have all of these problems. |
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GhostofChaneysLiver |
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Brent Gair wrote: Wrong-O!
I'm with Chesterbelloc -- I wish HD DVD won the war.
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Joe Karlosi |
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This IS a problem which can be fixed in the future, yes? Someone give me hope, please! I've been buying new Blu-ray discs of movies I already own on SD
(just picked up KILL BILL 1 and 2 today) and I'd like to think it's safe to get rid of the SD once I replace it with BD. But is this some kind of bug
that will one day render BD's that play well in my present Sony 350 as problematic coasters down the line when I replace the player one day?
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SAM33 |
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You know what? I'm paranoid enough that I make a copy of my SD's I've upgraded to Blu before I sell them. Just in case I need a back up in SD in
the future. Shame it has to be that way but I don't trust any of this new tech that much yet.
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Brent Gair |
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Joe, I think you really have very little to worry about. If your BD's are playing fine now, they should play fine on any future machines (which, as with
common dvd, doesn't preclude the odd wonky disc down the road). The vast majority of problems seem to be related to newer discs on machines without recent
firmware updates. As the machines evolve, the requirements of the new discs are identified and incorporated into the newer machines. In essence, it's
largely a problem of the machines catching up to the more sophisticated discs. The discs are, afterall, software and the players are small computers.
It comes to pass in the computer world that some older computers won't operate the new software. Like computers, BD specs have mandated that newer machines include things like increased onboard memory. And, like computers, increased memory and improved firmware improves playability issues. Since the players are increasingly capable, playability with current discs is unlikley to be a significant problem later on. If you took a piece of computer software today and tried to run it in a 386SX, you'd probably be out of luck. Likewise, if you take a loaded, BD Live enabled BD-50 and try to run it on a two year old, non-updated BD player, you might have difficulty. But the BD spec is finally maturing and I would anticipate fewer problems. I still find the degree of updating required to be unnacceptably high. But as the BD profile has evolved from the basic V1.0 to the modern V2.0, we may expect things to begin stabilizing. When BD first went on the market, we knew the spec was unfinished. We knew changes were coming. Now, with profile 2.0, disc makers and player makers have a more stable platform and a more definitive set of expectations. Hopefully, the current update requirments will lessen as we finally get all of those old firmware holes patched up. |
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dhtreptow |
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I know I went from plain DVD, to a player that could play DVD-R, to player with progressive-scan, to a player that was region-free, to a player that
upscaled,.... each time the latter could do all that of the former, but still I kept on feeling the need to get the next thingy. I'm buying a new SONY 550
for more internal audio decoding and the ability to toggle seamlessly between disks that feature multiple versions of the same film with seamless branching. I
could give a flying-fart about web features.
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Brent Gair |
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Funny thing...now that I think back, I actually remember sufferring a compatibility problem with VHS!
Yeah, this isn't new. I'm guessing this was circa 1982. A buddy at work gave me a VHS tape to watch. I took it home but couldn't get anything except a squiggly, snowy hint of an image. It was like trying to watch a pay TV channel without the converter box. Further investigation revealed that my older VHS machine couldn't playback tapes at the (then) newly incorporated "LP" and "EP" speeds. My first generation VHS machine could only handle the single standard speed. My friend's VHS was recorded on LP. Same story: Old machine wouldn't handle new software! So this isn't a new phenomena after all. **I agree about the web features. I have no intention of hooking my player up to the net. I don't think I've read about more than one person in fifty who actually thinks this web enabled stuff is a good idea. Even the one guy on the planet who likes it will admit that it doesn't work very well. |
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