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May 27 08 1:06 AM
Robert Aragon wrote: I am such a fan of the AIP American cut of the film......I purchased an LPP 16mm print of it. MINT shape and THEN I purchased a projector to run it. it was my first 16mm print and the one which opened a world of titles. The Black Sabbath print is AMAZING. It's Pin sharp and colors LEAP at you off the screen. If you have never seen this on film...DO so. A must. I play it every summer for an audience.
Lucky You. How much did it cost you to buy it? Also where did you buy it?
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May 27 08 11:57 AM
Robert Aragon wrote: I have a friend who is a dvd nut.....claims this and that about dvd superiority but, upon seeing my print of Sabbath, said "wow.....that blows dvd out of the water"
May 27 08 12:56 PM
May 27 08 1:03 PM
Robert Aragon wrote: I do not purchase reductions.....nothing like the originals.
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May 27 08 5:46 PM
ByronOrlok wrote: I picked up a bootleg of the AIP cut of BLACK SABBATH (paired with CURSE OF THE CRIMSON ALTAR) on ebay about a year ago, good quality picture and sound , about 20 bucks. And while it's nice to have the movie with Boris' voice and Baxter's score, the Italian cut also has much in its favor -- the picture quality on the AB dvd is noticeably crisper and more colorful than the old Image laserdisc -- and I mean STUNNINGLY so -- the score is moodier and subtler, and the "Telephone" segment is uncut.
Well for picture quality you know if MGM can ever put it out, it more than likely easily rival the AB disc.
May 27 08 5:47 PM
May 27 08 5:57 PM
gfanikf wrote: Well for picture quality you know if MGM can ever put it out, it more than likely easily rival the AB disc.
May 27 08 6:53 PM
I must mention the AIP elements ARE not at all in remotely in rough shape at all. in fact, they are in very close to perfect condition. As I mentioned above...the print I have is flawless. It was printed in mid 80's when ORION owned the title.
May 27 08 7:01 PM
Robert Aragon wrote: I must mention the AIP elements ARE not at all in remotely in rough shape at all. in fact, they are in very close to perfect condition. As I mentioned above...the print I have is flawless. It was printed in mid 80's when ORION owned the title.
May 27 08 7:10 PM
May 27 08 8:06 PM
Robert Aragon wrote: Of course...I meant the ELEMENTS (aka film negative) itself which made my print are indeed in prestine condition. A 16mm negative is created from the actual 35mm source, so if my print was flawless. It means the original 35mm film negative is flawless.
The original camera neg is in Italy and conformed to the Italian cut. All AIP ever had were interposives and internegatives. And again, the condition of a 16mm neg made 25 years ago from a 16mm I.N. of indeterminate age tells us nothing about the condition of the 35mm film elements in 2008. I did manage to look up an eval from '94 of one of the 35mm elements, and it looks like it was neither pristine nor terrible--some age-related damage, a few flaws printed into the film, etc. Not by any means ideal, but nothing catastrophic
May 27 08 8:47 PM
May 27 08 11:21 PM
Jameson281 wrote: Robert Aragon wrote: Of course...I meant the ELEMENTS (aka film negative) itself which made my print are indeed in prestine condition. A 16mm negative is created from the actual 35mm source, so if my print was flawless. It means the original 35mm film negative is flawless. The original camera neg is in Italy and conformed to the Italian cut. All AIP ever had were interposives and internegatives. And again, the condition of a 16mm neg made 25 years ago from a 16mm I.N. of indeterminate age tells us nothing about the condition of the 35mm film elements in 2008. I did manage to look up an eval from '94 of one of the 35mm elements, and it looks like it was neither pristine nor terrible--some age-related damage, a few flaws printed into the film, etc. Not by any means ideal, but nothing catastrophic
Well I assume that restoration could fix that assuming it has not allowed to decay to much. Perhaps work has taken place since then.
May 28 08 1:03 AM
I am going to place my print in a temperature controlled vault....it MAY very well be THE ONLY good print, flawless that is, of the american version of BLACK SABBATH. Originally I had thought I paid way too much for it, not anymore.
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