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May 24 07 2:38 PM
Quote:If these things are physical objects (and I suspect they aren't), they have to be subject to the laws of physics, and not explained by UNKNOWN laws.
May 24 07 2:54 PM
Quote:Perhaps things exist that can't be explained by known laws,
May 24 07 3:45 PM
Quote:You're missing my point.
May 24 07 5:01 PM
Quote:Incidentally, an attitude of "I want to believe" is NOT open-minded.
May 24 07 5:06 PM
Quote:I think unexplained phenomena need to be analyzed on the basis of science as we know it now. ANYTHING is possible, hypothetically, so hypothetical sciences shouldn't be offered as explanations. There's no limit at all if you go that way. If these things are physical objects (and I suspect they aren't), they have to be subject to the laws of physics, and not explained by UNKNOWN laws.
May 24 07 5:19 PM
Quote:I'm not sure why you put quotation marks around "scientists," but I'm not sorry you did.
May 24 07 7:52 PM
Quote:my point about ancient people not knowing about computers and light bulbs illustrates the truth of what I'm saying...
May 24 07 7:56 PM
Quote:it's scientific EGO which only accepts what we know now as the pinnacle of man's knowledge.
May 24 07 8:13 PM
Quote:...basing their assumptions on our own technology so far which is basically not all that far ahead of taping a model airplane to a bottle rocket.
May 24 07 9:39 PM
Quote:I am saying that if there were this weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, it would already be OBSERVABLE.
May 24 07 10:40 PM
May 24 07 10:46 PM
Quote:You can't "defy" the laws of physics.
May 24 07 11:34 PM
Quote:"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
May 25 07 12:11 AM
May 25 07 8:32 AM
Quote:Theoretically, do you believe it impossible that any race could ever become advanced enough to seemingly defy the laws of physics as we understand them?
May 25 07 9:37 AM
Quote:Really, Charles, I urge you to take a course in basic science.
May 25 07 9:39 AM
Quote:No, it doesn't. The universe operated the way it does now back in those ancient times. Once again: the universe can be observed to operate on the basis of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There have been no observable exceptions to this rule. Whenever new phenomena are encountered, they still are examples of that same observation. You're INSISTING that there HAS TO BE weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, and using as examples people in the past who did not have the >equipment< to make the scientific observations and discoveries we can today. I am saying that if there were this weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, it would already be OBSERVABLE. And it isn't.
May 25 07 9:45 AM
Quote:Charles, your idea of being "open minded" seems to be a willingness to believe as fact things based on thin, questionable, often untestable evidence and wild speculation. If I came to you and told you that I used to be able to fly using telekinetic powers, showed you photos of myself in the air, produced friends who swore up and down that they had seen me fly, and said the only reason I can't fly now is because the CIA zapped me with a "negative energy field" . . . would you keep an "open mind" and believe me, or would you, based upon your knowledge and experience, conclude that while perhaps not completely impossible, my story was so unlikely that you could not accept it as truth???
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