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blackbiped	Re: fake	#101	[-]
May 24 07 2:38 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* If these things are physical objects (and I suspect they aren't), they have to be subject to the laws of physics, and not explained by UNKNOWN laws. Perhaps things exist that can't be explained by known laws, since there's quite a lot that we still don't know. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. My MySpace Page
Bill Warren	Re: fake	#102	[-]
May 24 07 2:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Perhaps things exist that can't be explained by known laws, You're missing my point.
blackbiped	Re: fake	#103	[-]
May 24 07 3:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* You're missing my point. What I gathered from your post is that you're saying we shouldn't believe certain things are possible based on hypothetical sciences. I'm saying we shouldn't believe certain things are impossible based on our relatively limited knowledge of science. I just think differently about it, that's all. Either the pictures are a hoax or they aren't. They probably are. But that doesn't mean they definitely are. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. My MySpace Page
Charles Thaxton	Re: fake	#104	[-]
May 24 07 5:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Incidentally, an attitude of "I want to believe" is NOT open-minded. okay...how about "I'm open-minded to believing"? :) (also open minded to uncovering and accepting cases as hoaxes when facts come in...as Ted as done for me in one case)
Charles Thaxton	Re: fake	#105	[-]
May 24 07 5:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I think unexplained phenomena need to be analyzed on the basis of science as we know it now. ANYTHING is possible, hypothetically, so hypothetical sciences shouldn't be offered as explanations. There's no limit at all if you go that way. If these things are physical objects (and I suspect they aren't), they have to be subject to the laws of physics, and not explained by UNKNOWN laws. and you and I disagree on that Bill....because my point about ancient people not knowing about computers and light bulbs illustrates the truth of what I'm saying...it's scientific EGO which only accepts what we know now as the pinnacle of man's knowledge. If you try to guess how UFOs could be coming here by what Einstein says then you're trapped. Meanwhile an infinite universe goes on about it's business not really caring what Einstein said. Didn't you learn ANYTHING from all the SF we've watched for decades? LOL Build me an interociter-
Charles Thaxton	Re: fake	#106	[-]
May 24 07 5:19 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I'm not sure why you put quotation marks around "scientists," but I'm not sorry you did. because I've personally encountered hard nosed folk who call themselves scientists (as in medical doctors) who will protest in red faced anger and hostility that using a common inexpensive herb or vitamin for medicinal purposes will not work because in their 4 to 6 years of college training in medicine no one once ever mentioned Echinacea, B-complex, or Ginseng, and the only "cure" is prescription drug or surgery. Same attitude, different science. The ruling paradigm never wants to admit anything outside of itself.
Bill Warren	Re: fake	#107	[-]
May 24 07 7:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* my point about ancient people not knowing about computers and light bulbs illustrates the truth of what I'm saying... No, it doesn't. The universe operated the way it does now back in those ancient times. Once again: the universe can be observed to operate on the basis of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There have been no observable exceptions to this rule. Whenever new phenomena are encountered, they still are examples of that same observation. You're INSISTING that there HAS TO BE weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, and using as examples people in the past who did not have the >equipment< to make the scientific observations and discoveries we can today. I am saying that if there were this weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, it would already be OBSERVABLE. And it isn't.
Jameson281	Re: fake	#108	[-]
May 24 07 7:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* it's scientific EGO which only accepts what we know now as the pinnacle of man's knowledge. No reputable scientist believes that man knows everything, and all good scientists are willing to change their beliefs if something better comes along that is backed up by solid, testable evidence. Charles, your idea of being "open minded" seems to be a willingness to believe as fact things based on thin, questionable, often untestable evidence and wild speculation. If I came to you and told you that I used to be able to fly using telekinetic powers, showed you photos of myself in the air, produced friends who swore up and down that they had seen me fly, and said the only reason I can't fly now is because the CIA zapped me with a "negative energy field" . . . would you keep an "open mind" and believe me, or would you, based upon your knowledge and experience, conclude that while perhaps not completely impossible, my story was so unlikely that you could not accept it as truth???
Monsterpal	Re: Weirdest UFO	#109	[-]
May 24 07 8:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* ...basing their assumptions on our own technology so far which is basically not all that far ahead of taping a model airplane to a bottle rocket. And you base your assumptions on what, Charles? Pure fantasy. No matter how much you might not like this fact, it is a fact: there is not one shred of hard evidence that UFOs are anything other than natural phenomena. That's not to say that there are no puzzling pictures, or no other intelligent life in the galaxy besides ours (and I use the word "intelligent" lightly here), or that there can't be intelligences more advanced than our own. It becomes tiresome answering these bogus, non-sequitur arguments, but it has to be done. Science is a search for real answers to physical phenomenon. SETI is searching for intelligent life, so why would they deny its existence? Because of jealousy on a high school level? Or are they like the cool kids looking down at the nerds? Please. And this nonsense about science being wrong so often. Of course scientists make mistakes. Scientists are human, like anyone else. But they have a system that works. If you don't believe me, take another look at the computer in front of you. The reason it works: When a theory or supposition is disproven, the scientific community changes it. That's how they operate. They gather facts and data, work it into a framework (theory), which is then either challenged or reinforced by peer review (articles and more data, as much as possible) until the theory is disproven. If it's never disproven, then it stays in place. It's a very democratic and reliable system. We call it the scientific method. It's been developed over many centuries, and it's worked quite well so far. Really, Charles, I urge you to take a course in basic science. You'll be amazed by how much you learn. I don't mean that to be snarky. You really will enjoy it. And Squashpants, you're forgiven. Even for calling skeptics "bastards".
blackbiped	Re: Weirdest UFO	#110	[-]
May 24 07 9:39 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I am saying that if there were this weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, it would already be OBSERVABLE. Theoretically, do you believe it impossible that any race could ever become advanced enough to seemingly defy the laws of physics as we understand them? Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. My MySpace Page
Andrew Kidd	Re: Weirdest UFO	#111	[-]
May 24 07 10:40 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You can't "defy" the laws of physics. Any other intelligent beings out there will have to follow the same rules of nature as the rest of the universe, and no matter how advanced they are in science they come up with the same answers as we have and will have, even if they are several centuries or so further down the road.
Zombie Dad	Re: Weirdest UFO	#112	[-]
May 24 07 10:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* You can't "defy" the laws of physics. I guess that's why producer Jack H. Harris felt safe when he ran that ad in Famous Monsters offering one million dollars to anyone who could duplicate the feats of THE 4-D MAN. ZD
Monsterpal	Re: Weirdest UFO	#113	[-]
May 24 07 11:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." That's a quote from Arthur C. Clarke.
blackbiped	Re: Weirdest UFO	#114	[-]
May 25 07 12:11 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, at least he agrees with me. Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way. My MySpace Page
luluthebeast	Re: Weirdest UFO	#115	[-]
May 25 07 8:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Theoretically, do you believe it impossible that any race could ever become advanced enough to seemingly defy the laws of physics as we understand them? And if they did, why the hell would they come HERE?
Charles Thaxton	Re: Weirdest UFO	#116	[-]
May 25 07 9:37 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Really, Charles, I urge you to take a course in basic science. no thanks...I don't want my mind to be limited to others' conclusions. (and how do you know I DON'T have a scientific background anyway?)
Charles Thaxton	Re: fake	#117	[-]
May 25 07 9:39 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* No, it doesn't. The universe operated the way it does now back in those ancient times. Once again: the universe can be observed to operate on the basis of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There have been no observable exceptions to this rule. Whenever new phenomena are encountered, they still are examples of that same observation. You're INSISTING that there HAS TO BE weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, and using as examples people in the past who did not have the >equipment< to make the scientific observations and discoveries we can today. I am saying that if there were this weird scientific stuff that we haven't yet learned, it would already be OBSERVABLE. And it isn't. well, not by you I guess. When Columbus came over to the island the natives couldn't "see" the sailing ships either.
Charles Thaxton	Re: fake	#118	[-]
May 25 07 9:45 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Charles, your idea of being "open minded" seems to be a willingness to believe as fact things based on thin, questionable, often untestable evidence and wild speculation. If I came to you and told you that I used to be able to fly using telekinetic powers, showed you photos of myself in the air, produced friends who swore up and down that they had seen me fly, and said the only reason I can't fly now is because the CIA zapped me with a "negative energy field" . . . would you keep an "open mind" and believe me, or would you, based upon your knowledge and experience, conclude that while perhaps not completely impossible, my story was so unlikely that you could not accept it as truth??? the problem is, Jameson, that most of the scientists who dismiss UFOs etc. will not go out into the field themselves and "test the evidence". Dr. J. Allen Hynek was an astronomy professor and hard skeptic when he started with Blue Book...by the time he died he was pleading for the scientific community to look at the evidence, and he himself had become convinced. I saw Carl Sagan once debating UFOs with someone and he was putting down a particular case as impossible etc. and an audience member asked him if he went out to the location and spoke to the witnesses himself and he said something like..."well, no...uh...I.." So much for burning desire to further man's knowledge.
Charles Thaxton	Re:Real	#119	[-]
May 25 07 9:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am done with this discussion, and will not post any more UFO stories for you guys...and am happy that you are all comfortable with your views and opinions on the subject. It makes for an interesting debate and those whose minds are firmly made up don't seem to budge....and don't tell me my mind is made up because I've already told you I remain a "cautious believer" and don't reach conclusions til all the facts are in, and am quite capable of changing my opinions/beliefs given new evidence, unlike some here who don't seem to be able to.
Charles Thaxton	Re: Re:Real	#120	[-]
May 25 07 9:58 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	by the way, Bill...in spite of our difference of opinion I still love your KWTS book:)

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