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Oct 6 12 8:41 PM
Scathach80 wrote:Rider wrote:Lawrence Fechtenberger wrote:Rider wrote: Unless you make an incredibly good superhero movie you are going to fail at this point. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was a success just a few months ago. No one, its admirers included, has called it "incredibly good."Yes let's pick one example and hold that up really high. Should we go through the dozens of others that tanked, Jonha Hex, Cowboys and Aliens, John Carter, Green Lantern, Green Hornet --again waits for the strawman--, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In that last case, the excecution has more to do with its inclusion-it seems as if they had a Hero At Large style pitch more appropriate for another property that they managed to piggyback in prior to decline in their influence. Jonah Hex, too, though a comic book first, in print played as more of a mundane Western for most of its run. Oddly, just a few months later, Josh Brolin appeared in a True Grit, whose reception would have suggested mundane Westerns can do well. If they had treated Jonah Hex simlar to Road to Perdition and A History of Violence (both based on graphic novels) as just a property which has a source in the medium, it might have played as less tacky. Including John Carter still seems a bit of stretch. I heard someone compare it more to Stargate (of course, Stargate has had comic book tie-ins, but I would not conclude that the person had that in mind). If so, then many of the franchises on this list could count, since very few of them stand as mundane thrillers. http://www.smashcaptures.com/top-20-highest-grossing-movie-franchise-film-series-part-2/http://www.smashcaptures.com/top-2-highest-groosing-movie-franchise-part-1/----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Add to this the fact that movies are costing more to make as box office hits record lows. We have a lot more Batman and Spiderman reboots as the proven cash cows bring in the money and fewer and fewer other heroes making it to screen. If someone went to the table today and proposed the Avengers series there is no way it would get greenlit today, we are very very lucky the timing worked out so well on it. -------------------------------------------Ghost Rider, Fantastic FourYou do know that both of those films received sequels?
Rider wrote:Lawrence Fechtenberger wrote:Rider wrote: Unless you make an incredibly good superhero movie you are going to fail at this point. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was a success just a few months ago. No one, its admirers included, has called it "incredibly good."Yes let's pick one example and hold that up really high. Should we go through the dozens of others that tanked, Jonha Hex, Cowboys and Aliens, John Carter, Green Lantern, Green Hornet --again waits for the strawman--, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In that last case, the excecution has more to do with its inclusion-it seems as if they had a Hero At Large style pitch more appropriate for another property that they managed to piggyback in prior to decline in their influence. Jonah Hex, too, though a comic book first, in print played as more of a mundane Western for most of its run. Oddly, just a few months later, Josh Brolin appeared in a True Grit, whose reception would have suggested mundane Westerns can do well. If they had treated Jonah Hex simlar to Road to Perdition and A History of Violence (both based on graphic novels) as just a property which has a source in the medium, it might have played as less tacky. Including John Carter still seems a bit of stretch. I heard someone compare it more to Stargate (of course, Stargate has had comic book tie-ins, but I would not conclude that the person had that in mind). If so, then many of the franchises on this list could count, since very few of them stand as mundane thrillers. http://www.smashcaptures.com/top-20-highest-grossing-movie-franchise-film-series-part-2/http://www.smashcaptures.com/top-2-highest-groosing-movie-franchise-part-1/----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Add to this the fact that movies are costing more to make as box office hits record lows. We have a lot more Batman and Spiderman reboots as the proven cash cows bring in the money and fewer and fewer other heroes making it to screen. If someone went to the table today and proposed the Avengers series there is no way it would get greenlit today, we are very very lucky the timing worked out so well on it. -------------------------------------------Ghost Rider, Fantastic FourYou do know that both of those films received sequels?
Lawrence Fechtenberger wrote:Rider wrote: Unless you make an incredibly good superhero movie you are going to fail at this point. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was a success just a few months ago. No one, its admirers included, has called it "incredibly good."
Rider wrote: Unless you make an incredibly good superhero movie you are going to fail at this point.
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