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Saw this for the first time on TCM last night. What fun! I don't know how I missed it before. It showed Russell Johnson dosn't have to be stuck on a island to get a hot chick. I would love to see this in 3-D although some of the set up shots are pretty funny not in 3-D.(oh my GOD it's a tree)
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I also just saw this recently, although I'm sure I must have seen it 20 years ago on late night tv.
Very similar to Who Goes There? by Campbell, in a way. You can't tell me Ray Bradbury wasn't adapting that short story for his screenplay!
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You can't tell me Ray Bradbury wasn't adapting that short story for his screenplay!
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Yes, I can. Absolutely the only connection between Bradbury's story and "Who Goes There" is that both involve alien shape-shifters, a relatively common concept in science fiction.
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>>>Absolutely the only connection between Bradbury's story and "Who Goes There" is that both involve alien shape-shifters
Well, I don't agree. As I was watching it I thought to myself - this is 'Who Goes There'. Especially when Richard Carlson tells the sheriff "For all you know I might not be John Putnam." They're really going for the paranoia factor there.
>>involve alien shape-shifters,
Was this the first depiction of shape-shifters in the movies?
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Well, I don't agree.
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Doesn't matter whether you "agree" or not--it's a simple fact that Bradbury didn't borrow a damned thing from Campbell's story.
As far as I can tell, yes, IT CAME is the first depiction of shape-changing aliens in movies.
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The burly Purple Monster shape-shifted into little Dr. Layton in every episode of THE PURPLE MONSTER STRIKES (1945). The Clay People in one of the Flash Gordon serials may have changed too -- I saw that once, eons ago.
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>>>it's a simple fact that Bradbury didn't borrow a damned thing from Campbell's story.
I don't want this to degenerate into a "yes he did, no he didn't" type of argument...so I'll just say it once more...."yes, he did!"
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>>The burly Purple Monster shape-shifted into little Dr. Layton
Thanks for the info. I was hoping *It Came From Outer Space* was the first time...still doesn't alter my opinion Bradbury borrowed the idea from Campbell's story, though.
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Actually, IT CAME FROM O.S. isn't terribly original at all -- alien(s) come to Earth, they're peaceful enough, people react with great fear/suspicion (understandably!), alien(s) kidnap/enslave a number of them, people retaliate (understandably again) -- it was all in MAN FROM PLANET X.
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I don't want this to degenerate into a "yes he did, no he didn't" type of argument...so I'll just say it once more...."yes, he did!"
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You quite literally do not know what you are talking about. Once again: there were shape-shifting aliens in written science fiction before "Who Goes There" was published, and many between then and when IT CAME was released. Secondly, you are accusing one of the most famous American authors, one of the most respected men in his field, of plagiarism. I repeat: you do not know what you are talking about; your claims are utterly false. Are you really so ignorant of the history of writen science fiction that you are ready to stand by this claim? A claim no one else I've encountered has ever made, including John W. Campbell, Jr. You seem to be basic this ludicrous claim ENTIRELY on the idea that there are (a) aliens who (b) shape-shift. You ever heard of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy? You should acquaint yourself with it.
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Incidentally, in case no one's yet mentioned it, welcome to the boards, Kadoban!
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>>>welcome to the boards, Kadoban!
Why, thank you, Tom! ; )
Bill, you're taking this way too seriously. All I'm saying is that Bradbury borrowed the shape shifters from Campbell...no plagiarism about it. And at least one film critic, Vincent Di Fate (sp) mentioned this, on the DVD extras that came with the release (along with Tom Weaver's audio commentary - which I liked by the way).
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You are accusing Ray Bradbury of an act of literary theft; that's very serious. But as I said before: you quite literally do not know what you're talking about.
Edited by: Bill Warren at: 6/29/05 10:41 pm
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Well, fair is fair... Bradbury repeatedly accused Michael Moore of stealing "Fahrenheit 451" and making it "Fahrenheit 9/11"... and he was serious.
I wouldn't say he's actually accusing Bradbury of theft. We all build on the past, even Bradbury. Let's say someone-- Bradbury, or producer William Alland, who claimed repeatedly that it was his idea-- took a very basic s-f concept, shape-shifting aliens (notably used in the novella "Who Goes There?" and elsewhere; the novel would be in people's minds subsequent to The Thing, though the film used only the set-up) and gave it a twist: that the aliens were not out to conquer Earth but came here by mistake and wanted to get the hell away from the place. Ergo: new story. That's not plagiarism.
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>>>I wouldn't say he's actually accusing Bradbury of theft
*She*, if you please!
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<< You are accusing Ray Bradbury of an act of literary theft; that's very serious. >>
Yes, the repercussions could be positively non-existent!
Edited by: TomWeaver999 at: 6/30/05 9:11 am
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Relax everyone...
Bill Warren and Tom Weaver are quite expert on It Came From Outer Space. Bill in particular knows his Bradbury stuff from first-hand knowledge.
On the other hand, if someone sees a similarity between two works, it's no crime to say so.
Nor is it wrong to say, with insight gained from decades studying the film and knowing the author, that it was not the case.
So let's respect both the opinions of those who post here, but also acknowledge the terrific expertise of many of those who post here.
Thanx.
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This is one of my favorites! Having lived for a time in the desert southwest, the locale brings back to memory my days as a desert rat in the shadow of the Superstition Mountains...
This film has a good story line and special effects are used sparingly and don't insult the audience despite the 3D gimic.
As always the ever competent Richard Carlson handles himself quite well. I always thought Carlson was an underrated actor and I felt that he had a lot in common with Hugh Marlowe in terms of his screen presence. Carlson was also good in "Creature from the Black Lagoon". I think his last flick was Elvis' "Change of Habit" about 1970 or so. And who can forget him in those clunky Coronet educational films we saw in Junior High School.... "Gee Professor, you mean the heart can pump THAT much blood, in JUST ONE HOUR!?!"
The lovely Barbara Rush is at her sexy best in this film and Charles Drake is fine as the reluctant Sheriff.
Definately a winner from the 50s!
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Heh! The pipe was upside down!
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I once insinuated that Peter Benchley may have based parts of Jaws on the great novel Moby Dick.
Before I knew what hit me, Benchley had dispatched several of his "goons" to my home to clean my clock.
Keep it in mind Kadoban, and welcome to the boards!
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"The burly Purple Monster shape-shifted into little Dr. Layton in every episode of THE PURPLE MONSTER STRIKES (1945). The Clay People in one of the Flash Gordon serials may have changed too -- I saw that once, eons ago."
1938. Flash Gordon's Trip to Mars, second in the series. Clay people shape-shift (I guess that's an appropriate term) to and from and to humans by virtue of Queen Azura's magic (not science as we understand it; not one of Zarkhov's ubiquitous "rays"). That might be the first instance in a _science fiction_ film. If you want to expand to include horror, I guess Wolfman of London might qualify (at least in terms of talkies).
And Rakshasa, please elaborate on the Benchley Goon Squad. I assume they weren't Popeye-type goons? How clean is your clock these days?
... Reed
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