Siouxsie Sue wrote:
I'm not being condescending. On the contrary, you, who claims a cavernous difference between the format speeds are probably doing exactly that, implicit to me being less of a 'purist' than you and incapable of perceiving the starkly obvious, etc. It's true: I am not an orthodox purist. But at the same time, being a purist involves realising both these formats have pretty serious problems. No one's a purist here, apparently.
Look, I'm not a purist orthodox or otherwise, but I can't help it if I'm distracted by PAL speed-up. A lot of people are. I never suggested you are "incapable of perceiving the starkly obvious" and I don't understand why you take my words that way. Yes, I'm aware of the imperfections in both formats, I just don't think the imperfections are worth debating. Since I started buying DVD's in 2002, I bought over 300 region 2's. So it's not like I'm shunning the region or the format. I don't see how anyone who loves films can resist buying region 2's. I bought A Study In Terror in region 2 because I couldn't buy it in region 1, and was unpleasantly surprised at the effect PAL speed-up has on the film, but I watch it anyway. On the other hand, we watched Bergman's After the Rehearsal the other night on Tartan region 2 and PAL speed-up wasn't noticable at all.
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
Let's repeat and dissect your statement:

'In the region 1 edition of Hard Times, James Coburn shouts "Hey wait a minute! I want to talk to you!" In the region 2 editon, he shouts ""Heywaitaminute!Iwanttotalktoyou!"'

Okay. I think that sentence probably takes nearer to two seconds to say, but let's be generous and stick to three seconds. I was also being generous when I said your claims makes the speedup about four times greater than reality -- in truth it's prolly more like ten times.
You're not sitting with a stopwatch doing a James Coburn impersonation, are you? Forget how long it takes for you or I to say it. How long does it take for James Coburn to say it? He doesn't speak at the same rate that either of us do. Maybe he's faster or maybe he's slower. This is not a viable test. I know you mean well, but please let's drop it.
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
But let's stick to facts...

PAL speedup is 4%. Not 50%, not 25%, not even 10%. Can't get around it. 4% is 4%, at the risk of sounding like Ayn Rand.

What's 4% of three seconds? Wanna check? Grab the calculator.

It's 0.12 seconds.

That's slightly more than one tenth of a second.

Three seconds minus 4% is 2.88 seconds.

That's slightly less (two-hundredths of a second less) than two and nine-tenths of a second.
I don't doubt your math. I'm sure it's all correct. I just don't see what it has to do with anything. Many people find PAL speed-up perceptible and bothersome. Let's just accept that and stop arguing.
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
Clearly you are describing a difference of significantly more than one tenth of a second.
I am? More than on one tenth? But I thought we agreed PAL speed-up was only .... oh, never mind.
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
And that's why I believe you are projecting into this. You could give this some thought; or you could just dig your heels in and make more claims that break the law of physics.
Ouch.
Do you get this angry at everyone on the forum who notices PAL speed-up?
You are making too much of an innocuous comment in post 47:

But the 4% PAL speedup makes the action move at an unnatural pace and raises the pitch of voices. McGoohan sounds like Chip & Dale on helium. These two factors can ruin the most pristine restoration. Sometimes it isn't noticable; why I can't say. Other times it is very noticable.
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
I wouldn't even take issue with someone saying, 'the speedups's very, very slight, but I'm very sensitive and it's annoys me anyway.'
Well , maybe I can meet you halfway here. How about this: "PAL speed-up is slight, but sufficient to be noticed and to impact the viewing of a film. Some people will be bothered by it, others won't." Is that reasonable?
Siouxsie Sue wrote:
But, these 'helium' comments and stuff like the above quote -- are just not constructive at all, and misleading to people who don't 'get' this issue so well.
Okay, so the "helium" comment is the comment that pushed your buttons. You've heard it said before and you don't agree with it. Sorry, but I stand by it. Patrick McGoohan talks rapid-fire fast sometimes in Danger Man, and the PAL speed-up accentuates that in accord with the law of physics.
I thought it was a bit of a cheap comment. I didn't accuse you of whining like a girl in the face of logic, did I? image You are showing your age a bit too much to say that about a Wimmins with a viewpoint, tho.
That is uncalled for and beneath you, Siousxie Sue.

Richard

"... little by little the look of the country
changes because of the people we admire."
dialog in HUD (1963)

Last Edited By: Richard Feb 5 09 8:29 PM. Edited 2 times.