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Scathach80		#241	[-]
Aug 14 11 7:44 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	thib wrote: Anyway, what I meant was that the Green Hornet is not an original comic book character or claimed as such by comic book fans. Yes, he was featured in a comic - but Star Wars......have had longer, more successful comic book runs than GH and no one gets confused about thier "origins" - probably because they don't feature super heroes. What do you call Luke Skywalker? Can you do what he does by lifting weights, learning Asian martial arts, running laps, doing situps, reading Soldier of Fortune, etc.?
Scathach80		#242	[-]
Apr 1 12 7:47 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Kongu is Kingu wrote: Scathach80 wrote: After all, if you want the name to attract people who enjoyed the previous version of the property, or at least the genre in general, why do a spoof/parody that would alienate them? Also, if you want to do a spoof/parody/satire, why not rely upon the First Amendment and not bother pay someone for the use of the name and come up with your own property? Simple, it worked for Batman. But this approach ruined the 70s Doc Savage film. Deliberate camp is hard to pull off. .............................Count Karnstein has pointed out how silly and childish the Caped Crusader stood as prior to the Adam West show. I will add he had a kid sidekick with pixie shoes, shaved legs, and golden cape long prior to Adam West. http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/search/topic/topic/14587 You insist on ignoring historical reality. Go check the dates of issues of Batman and Detective at the time right before the tv show came out. It was full of silly crap, the same stuff that was going on in the show. Batman #158 (1963) - Ace (the fire-breathing) Super Bat Hound Batman #160 (1963) - Mystery of Madcap Island (complete with giant shoe houses, giant tennis rackets, and a villain riding a giant squirt gun!) Batman #161 (1964) - Bat-Mite. Nuff' said! Batman #162 (1964) - Bat-Creature. Again, Nuff' said! Batman #170 (1965) - Getaway Gimmicks Batman #174 (1965) - Batman, Human Punching Bag Batman #176 (1965) - (r) - Calendar Man, the Fox, Vulture, and Shark, Joker's Utility Belt Batman #182 (1966) - (r) - Rainbow Batman, Robot Batman, Batman Jr & Robin Sr. Batman #183 (1966) - Self reference to Batman tv show! Batman #186 (1966) - Joker's midget apprentice Batman #188 (1967) - The Human Eraser (a living #2 pencil) - I gotta show a pic of this! Did Dozier just hate the Batman character and have a vendetta against him? What, he loved the Green Hornet, so he created a serious show for him, while he had nothing but contempt for Batman, so it was "ridicule city" in that matter? Please! Dozier was bringing the characters to the screen in the manner in which they had been portrayed in the comics. Was there ever a silly, absurd, ridiculous Green Hornet comic book? If so, it's escaped my attention for the better part of 40 years. Did we ever see a Caveman Green Hornet or a Green Hornet in a rainbox/zebra/dayglo red suit? Did we ever see Green Hornet being drowned in a giant gravy boat or being chased by aliens and dinosaurs? Was there ever an Ace the Green Hornet Dog? How about a Hornet-Mite? No? I didn't think so. There's your answer. It's literally that simple. Dozier was taking characters and putting them on the screen. Green Hornet was always played straight and serious in the comics/strips/radio, so he was done that way for tv. Batman was as absurd, silly, goofy, and ridiculous as anything else that has ever appeared in comics, and so that's how he appeared on-screen. People are just so hung up on their "adult-friendly", sociopathic, paranoid, mentally ill "Dark Knight" version of Batman that they can have nothing but contempt for the true portrayal on film of the way the character was for the longest time.
davlghry		#243	[-]
Apr 1 12 10:36 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Scathach, you've cherry picked certain covers to back up your point while ignoring others of the same time period that would refute or, at least, counter-balance it. All super hero comic books are silly. So it's really a matter of degree, isn't it? Prior to the Batman TV show, DC was making an effort to make Batman LESS silly. That's what the "New Look" was all about -- getting rid of the aliens, giant dinosaurs, time travel, etc. Bringing in "realistic" artists like Carmine Infantino to give the characters a more contemporary look and appeal to a somewhat more sophisticated reader. For readers who preferred the "old" Batman, there were reprints in the Annuals and 80 Page Giants -- several of which you mentioned. But in the two years prior to the show, DC was trying to bring Batman into a more modern comic book era consistent with characters like the Flash. When it came to producing the TV series, Dozier chose to take a campy Pop Art approach to the characters which was a legitimate approach. Who knows? Had he had the budget, Dozier might have gone for a version of Batman that included rampaging dinosaurs, ray-blasting aliens, journeys to other worlds, time travel to the past and the future and Bat-Mite. AND -- he could also have made a less campy, more "serious" version along the lines of those New Look stories. In other words, Dozier had choices. The great thing about Batman is that he can endure almost any interpretation and, as we've learned in the last twenty or so years, those varying interpretations can co-exist side by side.
luluthebeast		#244	[-]
Apr 1 12 10:49 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd agree with you on the most part on the fact that THE GREEN HORNET series played it pretty straight, but there was INVASION FROM OUTER SPACE: Which started off a little silly, but ended up fairly solid. I did not like the movie though.
Wich2		#245	[-]
Apr 1 12 5:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>AND -- he could also have made a less campy, more "serious" version along the lines of those New Look stories.< Exactly so, davl. In fact, the rumor has always been that the earlier Mike Henry project may have been like that - perhaps cheapish, but generally straight, ala the 50's SUPERMAN show.
doktorgoulfinger		#246	[-]
Apr 1 12 8:55 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Interesting note on INVASION FROM SPACE (which may have been mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread) - in this one, the Hornet crosses swords with Dr. Mabuse.
Scathach80		#247	[-]
Apr 20 12 8:27 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: >AND -- he could also have made a less campy, more "serious" version along the lines of those New Look stories.< Exactly so, davl. In fact, the rumor has always been that the earlier Mike Henry project may have been like that - perhaps cheapish, but generally straight, ala the 50's SUPERMAN show. I will add he had a kid sidekick with pixie shoes, shaved legs, and golden cape long prior to Adam West. -------------How would that have played in live action? Would not those shaved legs raise some eyebrows?
Wich2		#248	[-]
Apr 21 12 8:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Scathach, Robin the Boy Wonder seems to have "played in live action" just fine when he was prominently figured in both earlier filmed interations of The Batman before the 1960's - I don't recall any censorings, bannings, letter writing campaigns, or any such things. Not even public outcries against the horrid wrongness of the character. I'm having a problem grasping what, exactly, your fixation on poor Dick Grayson (late of The Flying Graysons) is all about...?
Gojira		#249	[-]
Apr 24 12 5:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What makes everyone think Robin has shaved legs? He's a boy...or tights...or maybe he's like me!
flashback		#250	[-]
Apr 27 12 2:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	i finally gave the green hornet movie a chance.i got the blu-ray/dvd combo.i thought it would be an insult to the green hornet before i saw it .my opinion still stands after viewing the movie. its not a slam against seth rogan.if a movie needed a irrisponsible drunken fratboy type he would be good in it.he just was wrong for the green hornet.
The Batman of Gotham		#251	[-]
Apr 27 12 4:26 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Actually, I just looked at him IMDB, and in all reality, he has been in more movies that people would consider "great" than movies people would consider bad. He has a pretty solid record going for himself. Kung Fu Panda 2 (completed) Mantis (voice) 2011 Paul Paul (voice) 2011 Fight for Your Right Revisited (short) Mike D (B-Boys 1) 2011 The Green Hornet Britt Reid / The Green Hornet 2010 Kung Fu Panda Holiday Special (TV short) Mantis (voice) 2009 Monsters vs Aliens: Mutant Pumpkins from Outer Space (TV movie) B.O.B. (voice) 2009 B.O.B.'s Big Break (video short) B.O.B. 2009 The Simpsons (TV series) Lyle McCarthy – Homer the Whopper (2009) … Lyle McCarthy (voice) 2009 Funny People Ira Wright 2009 Monsters vs. Aliens (Video Game) B.O.B. (voice) 2009 Monsters vs Aliens B.O.B. (voice) 2009 Observe and Report Ronnie Barnhardt 2008 Zack and Miri Make a Porno Zack 2008 Pineapple Express Dale Denton 2008 Fanboys Admiral Seasholtz / Alien / Roach 2008 Step Brothers Sporting Goods Manager 2008 Kung Fu Panda Mantis (voice) 2008 Horton Hears a Who! Morton (voice) 2008 The Spiderwick Chronicles Hogsqueal (voice) 2007 Superbad Officer Michaels 2007 Jay and Seth Versus the Apocalypse (short) Seth 2007 Knocked Up Ben Stone 2007 Shrek the Third Ship Captain (voice) 2006 American Dad! (TV series) Student – Camp Refoogee (2006) … Student (voice) 2006 You, Me and Dupree Neil 2006 Help Me Help You (TV series) Seth – Working Women (2006) … Seth 2005 The 40 Year Old Virgin Cal 2005 Early Bird (TV movie) Bart 2004 Wake Up, Ron Burgundy: The Lost Movie (video) Eager Cameraman 2004 Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy Eager Cameraman 2001-2003 Undeclared (TV series) Ron Garner – God Visits (2003) … Ron Garner – Eric's POV (2002) … Ron Garner – Hal and Hillary (2002) … Ron Garner – The Perfect Date (2002) … Ron Garner – The Day After (2002) … Ron Garner See all 17 episodes » 2003 Dawson's Creek (TV series) Bob – Rock Bottom (2003) … Bob 2001 Donnie Darko Ricky Danforth 2001 North Hollywood (TV movie) 1999-2000 Freaks and Geeks (TV series) Hmmm.... I've seen exactly TWO of those films you've mentioned. And the 2 that interested me enough to actually watch I would definitely not call "Great". - GJS Correction: I've seen THREE. SHREK THE THIRD was one that I would consider pretty great. But, no thanx to Seth Rogan. Last Edited By: The Batman of Gotham Apr 27 12 4:31 PM. Edited 1 times.
Carl Eyesnheart		#252	[-]
May 7 12 4:52 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I've zseen quite a few of those films. I would not call many of them great, but of the ones I have seen, I would call good to very good. IMO Seth is a very good actor. My fanzine all about Rock N Roll: www.sonicruin.com
Rick		#253	[-]
May 7 12 5:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pretty much agree with Carl. I've seen sixteen of the films on that list ('cause I see everything), and, while I also wouldn't call any of them great, I'd say 6 or 7 of them were very good. Matter of fact, THE GREEN HORNET is probably the worst of them. I don't have a problem with making a comedy of the HORNET, I just thought this attempt was successful neither as comedy or as action.
ARGumshoe		#254	[-]
Jun 10 12 3:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Just gave this a watch and, even with extremely low expectations, found it very disappointing.
Scathach80		#255	[-]
Jun 11 12 6:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: Scathach, Robin the Boy Wonder seems to have "played in live action" just fine when he was prominently figured in both earlier filmed interations of The Batman before the 1960's - I don't recall any censorings, bannings, letter writing campaigns, or any such things. Not even public outcries against the horrid wrongness of the character. I'm having a problem grasping what, exactly, your fixation on poor Dick Grayson (late of The Flying Graysons) is all about...? ....................................................The 1940's serials have a reputation for atrocious incompentence that they distracted viewers. Remember that story about Hefner running them as a gag?
Wich2		#256	[-]
Jun 11 12 9:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes, I remember. And I remember that that was Hef, professional oddball coolster -- and that it was the mid-'60's, when people like Hef who fancied themselves cool decided that that automatically made them hipper than everything from the past. (We're talking about a juvenile leering softcore pornographer, by the way, so I dunno if he's the final arbiter of what's classy & what's not...) Sorry, I just don't know where your obsession with the pins of the second half of the Dynamic Duo comes from, but very few other comics/movie/tv experiencers of Batman and Robin seem to have strained at that gnat. Yeah, folks have chuckled at the cheapness of the serials - but I've never heard of anyone in 70 years - ANYONE - squealing, in either amusement or horror, "And just LOOK at that kid's LEGS!!!"
Badfinger		#257	[-]
Jun 12 12 1:06 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Robin is a product of a period where many lead characters had to have a sidekick so they had someone to talk to. Many of these sidekicks were juveniles so that they would relate to the juvenile readers. If the characters and stories are approached in a juvenile or campy way, the character of Robin works. But a realistic and more mature approach exposes the character as silly.
Wich2		#258	[-]
Jun 12 12 3:32 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, sure. You put the Robin from about his beginning to The New Look - an actual kid, on the streets in his circus costume - next to a Batman like Bale's, you're making a crazy choice. But leave him where he came from, opposite the kind of Batman and in the kind of stories that they shared during the period limned above, and he does just fine.
Scathach80		#259	[-]
Jun 12 12 7:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wich2 wrote: Yes, I remember. And I remember that that was Hef, professional oddball coolster -- and that it was the mid-'60's, when people like Hef who fancied themselves cool decided that that automatically made them hipper than everything from the past. (We're talking about a juvenile leering softcore pornographer, by the way, so I dunno if he's the final arbiter of what's classy & what's not...) Sorry, I just don't know where your obsession with the pins of the second half of the Dynamic Duo comes from, but very few other comics/movie/tv experiencers of Batman and Robin seem to have strained at that gnat. Yeah, folks have chuckled at the cheapness of the serials - but I've never heard of anyone in 70 years - ANYONE - squealing, in either amusement or horror, "And just LOOK at that kid's LEGS!!!" http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/warrenverse/ http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/warrenverse/ "Wertham and Kefauver were liberals. Many people today will act utterly astounded that the author of SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT in particular could possibly be a liberal, especially when you consider the rampant homophobia in the book--he accused Batman and Robin of being gay, and questioned the reason why three males lived alone together in Wayne Manor; this caused DC Comics to temporarily kill off series fixture Alfred Pennyworth and replace the loyal Wayne butler with Dick Grayson's Aunt Harriet". Schwartz copped to this, although Harriet Cooper did not show up until years later. Regarding Wertham as a liberal (he testified about the psychological effect of segregation), here we get into age of consent issues. Anyway, the Green Hornet and Kato do not merit these accusations, which continue with radio shock jocks and Jay Leno. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Wertham+AND+Robin Update: GQ or Esquire compared them to NAMBLA in 1997. Update: An episode of America's Most Wanted reenacted an incident where a child abuser went Trick or Treating with a neighbor's child, they dressed up as the Dynamic Duo, and the abuser made his move while the boy had on the pixie shoes. Anyone find that episode? Last Edited By: Scathach80 Jun 13 12 6:15 PM. Edited 1 times.
Wich2		#260	[-]
Jun 13 12 12:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You're moving the goalposts in the middle of the game again, Scathach. Of course I'm conversant with the homosexual take on Wayne & Grayson; though I think we all know that Kane & Finger didn't intend that. But that's not been the tune of your usual and repeated chorus over these many threads - it's been about poor Dick's workclothes, especially his bare legs, and my goodness, those pixie SHOES!

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