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Gojira		#21	[-]
Mar 22 12 2:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Is it one of the German krimis?
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PhantomXCI		#22	[-]
Mar 22 12 3:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Koukol 5 wrote: Besides using my favorite Castle It also has great music. Burg Kreutzenstein. It also turns up in THE VAMPIRE HAPPENING and SEASON OF THE WITCH. If I ever go to Austria, that castle is the only place I want to see.
pulp novelties		#23	[-]
Mar 22 12 3:07 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Koukol 5 wrote: Gojira wrote: Out of curiosity, what did he do to Black Sabbath? I think I have sympathies with producers who are handed films that clearly will not appeal on a commercial level - I think some directors can be far too pretentious for their own good - but Lisa isn't that inaccessible, it's just I think Bava did far better with other films. I don't know if it was Leone but the Americanized version of BLACK SABBATH was ruined (for me) with the Baxter score and the changing of the TELEPHONE story. I'm still not sure whether I like the goofy ending with Boris riding the prop. Even un-ruined, THE TELEPHONE isn't terribly compelling to me. Robbing the soundtrack of Karloff's voice is hugely problematic for the Italian cut. My choice would be some kind of hybrid (like that will ever happen).
pulp novelties		#24	[-]
Mar 22 12 4:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	When I think of about it, Bava had his definite strengths, and weaknesses. I think his strengths are obvious, he was a master visual stylist, and could create atmosphere that you can cut with a knife. His weakness were more in in the area of handling the seemingly perfunctory drama which connects his set-pieces. The result is that his films are more visually nuanced than they contain credible performances, or fully functioning scripts. I think the result can be a sort of artificiality that keeps you at a dramatic distance. Last Edited By: pulp novelties Mar 22 12 4:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
Koukol 5		#25	[-]
Mar 22 12 5:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Gojira wrote: Is it one of the German krimis? I don't think so as it's in gorgeous colour like B&BL This is so typical of me. As soon as I find the DVD-r I'll post the title here.
Krick Wurkheiser		#26	[-]
Mar 22 12 10:02 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Aw, you guys are disappointing me. LISA is a true gem of a film. I don't see the 'seventies groove' mentioned, it's pretty much in a timeless environment. It actually makes plenty of sense emotionally and within its dreamlike logic - confusing it may be, but along with maybe some of Lynch's work this is pretty much the only film I've seen that completely captures the full, terrible and sublime experience of a dream. I love pretty much all of Bava's films that I've seen - Whip, Black Lace, Sunday, Sabbath, Kill Baby Kill, Haunted World, Planet of the Vampires - but Lisa was the one that touched my heart and soul (Whip and the Body did too, but in a less surreal, heartaching way). Maybe my European blood draws me to seemingly melodramatic plots, but I can't help feeling that some of the European outlook is sometimes lost on Americans - which is in no way disparaging them, it's just a different culture and while nobody can deny Bava's visual flair (which I admit was by far the best thing about some of his films) I think Lisa succeeds well above and beyond that with its eerie story and some very good performances (Savalas and Sommer) Last Edited By: Krick Wurkheiser Mar 22 12 10:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
pulp novelties		#27	[-]
Mar 22 12 11:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Krick Wurkheiser wrote: Aw, you guys are disappointing me. LISA is a true gem of a film. I don't see the 'seventies groove' mentioned, it's pretty much in a timeless environment. It actually makes plenty of sense emotionally and within its dreamlike logic - confusing it may be, but along with maybe some of Lynch's work this is pretty much the only film I've seen that completely captures the full, terrible and sublime experience of a dream. I love pretty much all of Bava's films that I've seen - Whip, Black Lace, Sunday, Sabbath, Kill Baby Kill, Haunted World, Planet of the Vampires - but Lisa was the one that touched my heart and soul (Whip and the Body did too, but in a less surreal, heartaching way). Maybe my European blood draws me to seemingly melodramatic plots, but I can't help feeling that some of the European outlook is sometimes lost on Americans - which is in no way disparaging them, it's just a different culture and while nobody can deny Bava's visual flair (which I admit was by far the best thing about some of his films) I think Lisa succeeds well above and beyond that with its eerie story and some very good performances (Savalas and Sommer) Perhaps, but if you're American you saw Savalas play Savalas so many times that you may well have a "Oh, why in the hell is he in this film" reaction to his contribution. I don't know though, as groovy goes, I find Bava a tad square. I'd go to something like WOMAN IN A LIZARDS SKIN, BABA YAGA or SUCCUBUS for my groovy fix. Last Edited By: pulp novelties Mar 23 12 1:24 AM. Edited 1 times.
Krick Wurkheiser		#28	[-]
Mar 22 12 11:35 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Fair enough, but Lisa can't really be faulted for that. It's just a possibly unfortunate circumstance. What do you mean by that last bit exactly? I don't think Bava was ever trying to be groovy. His films, while over the top, are quite serious in tone.
Monsterpal		#29	[-]
Mar 23 12 12:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm with you, Krick. It's a Mario Bava art project, and I'm down with that.
pulp novelties		#30	[-]
Mar 23 12 1:33 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Krick Wurkheiser wrote: Fair enough, but Lisa can't really be faulted for that. It's just a possibly unfortunate circumstance. What do you mean by that last bit exactly? I don't think Bava was ever trying to be groovy. His films, while over the top, are quite serious in tone. I guess I was responding to the 70's groove thing. I actually don't think much of Savalas' campy performance, Sommer is OK, and the guy playing Vali's husband just looks all wrong for me. Obviously that's a matter of opinion, and I realize that. I also don't want to come off as if I think the films garbage. I'm merely for the purpose of discussion suggesting it doesn't live up to it reputation as lost-and-found masterpiece.
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todmichel		#31	[-]
Mar 23 12 6:37 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Koukol 5 wrote: Gojira wrote: Out of curiosity, what did he do to Black Sabbath? I wasn't talking about BLACK SABBATH, but about I TRE VOLTI DELLA PAURA, the original version. Last time it was shown on French TV, it was in a "new print" copyrighted by Alfredo Leone, with a horrendous mixing of the Italian and American musics, the titles were also remade - and very badly. And the ending was cut. This whole fiasco to flatter the bulging ego of Mr. Leone, I guess. A man who wasn't ever involved in the original production. Fortunately, we still have the old version(s). LISA AND THE DEVIL was released (althought slightly cut) in Spain in its original form, so I don't see what there is of "non-bankeable" in it. Audiences are often less stupid than some producers or distributors. Last Edited By: todmichel Mar 23 12 7:01 AM. Edited 3 times.
Koukol 5		#32	[-]
Mar 23 12 1:44 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I also don't want to come off as a LISA hater. For me even Bava's lesser works are above most other directors. (not that I'm saying LISA is a lesser work) I'm Canadian and have always been attracted to Euro films. Especially from the 60's and 70's Anyways, .maybe on my next viewing I'll appreciate it more...it's been known to happen with me.
Gojira		#33	[-]
Mar 23 12 3:34 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	From what I gather, it was down to them not being able to find a buyer at Cannes. But you'd think someone could have cooked up a funky ad campaign and poster without having to change a frame.
Koukol 5		#34	[-]
Mar 25 12 8:54 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Koukol 5 wrote: Gojira wrote: Is it one of the German krimis? I don't think so as it's in gorgeous colour like B&BL This is so typical of me. As soon as I find the DVD-r I'll post the title here. OK, It's a Swedish film called MANNEQUIN IN RED
todmichel		#35	[-]
Mar 25 12 11:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Quote: "OK, It's a Swedish film called MANNEQUIN IN RED" I would be interesting to know if Bava had any knowledge of "Mannekäng i rött". According to IMDb it was released in Spain, they don't mention any Italian release. Arne Mattsson's movie has been restored and is available on DVD, as well as his remake of "Körkarlen" (The Phantom Carriage). Last Edited By: todmichel Mar 25 12 11:19 PM. Edited 1 times.
Dr Acula		#36	[-]
Mar 28 12 8:49 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I definitely dig groovy 70's horror, and LISA is a top favorite film (but I haven't seen a Bava horror that I didn't like)... but if you can't get into that sort of film, then it probably seems boring. I've never really wanted to see the House of Exorcism version, but I just might have to see it after hearing that some folks liked it here. For me, it has more of that pleasures of the grave vibe and doomed fatalism that I'm seeing in the films of Jean Rollin.
Gil Ray		#37	[-]
Mar 30 12 10:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Absolutely great soundtrack. Quintessential Euro. Gil
Helrunar		#38	[-]
Jun 2 12 8:34 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I've seen Lisa & the Devil only once--a friend read a website filled with raving accolades for the film, bought the disc, and was baffled. He loaned it out to me, requesting my opinion. What I recall of the viewing was that there were some incredible images but no coherent or compelling story to sustain them. And Savalas was to me horribly mis-cast. I'm far from being a Bava specialist; just reporting my experience with the film. I'd be willing to give it a second chance at some point. It is interesting that a number of you did just that, and even gave it a third chance, and it still failed to work. H.
pulp novelties		#39	[-]
Jun 3 12 3:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Helrunar wrote: I've seen Lisa & the Devil only once--a friend read a website filled with raving accolades for the film, bought the disc, and was baffled. He loaned it out to me, requesting my opinion. What I recall of the viewing was that there were some incredible images but no coherent or compelling story to sustain them. And Savalas was to me horribly mis-cast. I'm far from being a Bava specialist; just reporting my experience with the film. I'd be willing to give it a second chance at some point. It is interesting that a number of you did just that, and even gave it a third chance, and it still failed to work. H. Story isn't my main beef, but I'm with ya on Savalas being horribly mis-cast.
Gojira		#40	[-]
Jun 5 12 9:20 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Again, I do prefer the sleazy House Of Exorcism version.
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