Why is 'The Satanic Rites of Dracula' in Public Domain? in Hammer Horror Forum

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Why is 'The Satanic Rites of Dracula' in Public Domain?

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MYST0		#21	[-]
Nov 23 11 4:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"the story album that was put out for the film" Was this a promo lp or was it a commercial release? Could someone post a picture of it? I just listened to it on the AB DVD and found it to be a nice Peter Cushing item.
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Ted Newsom		#22	[-]
Nov 23 11 3:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't think it was every properly released, not widely at any rate. It was a "promo" in that there was an obvious tie-in with the film, done at a time when Michael Carreras wanted to expand Hammer into other media. But it wasn't a free gift in every box of Golden Vampires Corn Flakes, if that's what you mean.
Bluesman Mark		#23	[-]
Nov 24 11 5:19 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ted Newsom wrote: I don't think it was every properly released, not widely at any rate. It was a "promo" in that there was an obvious tie-in with the film, done at a time when Michael Carreras wanted to expand Hammer into other media. But it wasn't a free gift in every box of Golden Vampires Corn Flakes, if that's what you mean. "Golden Vampire Corn Flakes". Hmmm, is that something Kellogg's came up with to compete with "Count Chocula"?
BijouBob8mm		#24	[-]
Nov 28 11 11:49 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think the initial idea behind the GOLDEN VAMPIRES LP was to market it as an album, even if that didn't ultimately happen. They also recorded a Frankenstein album with Cushing (can't recall if it was an original tale or an audio adaptation of MONSTER FROM HELL), but nothing was ever done with it and the recording appears to be lost. And then there was a Dracula record done with Christopher Lee (a Hammer original, not the twin LP dramatization of Stoker's novel Lee did a few years earlier), which we talk about (and have links to listen to) here: http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/36714 Last Edited By: BijouBob8mm Nov 28 11 11:52 AM. Edited 1 times.
Ted Newsom		#25	[-]
Nov 28 11 5:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Apparently the Frankenstein album was a new story. Someone took off with the master recording-- either an insane fan or, I suspect, someone who was owed money on the project.
BijouBob8mm		#26	[-]
Nov 29 11 10:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks, Ted. It would be nice if the Frankenstein recording did show up; maybe include it (and Lee's Dracula recording) as audio extras on DVD ala the 7 GOLDEN VAMPIRES, or put the two audio dramas out as a double feature CD. If someone did make off with it, it's a wonder someone's not peddling bootleg CDs online or at conventions.
mal.thehomegroundan...		#27	[-]
Nov 29 11 11:01 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	MYST0 wrote: "the story album that was put out for the film" Was this a promo lp or was it a commercial release? Could someone post a picture of it? I just listened to it on the AB DVD and found it to be a nice Peter Cushing item. It was a commercial release in the UK at any rate. I bought a couple of copies in my local John Menzies store in Edinburgh back in the '80s. http://www.soundtrackcoll...e+7+Golden+Vampires,+The Mal
Scathach80		#28	[-]
Apr 7 12 11:20 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BijouBob8mm wrote: Someone figured out that it was worthless? No, you're thinking of COUNT DRACULA AND HIS VAMPIRE BRIDE. I actually have a lot of nostalgia for this film. A local theater ran it Halloween weekend my senior year in high school, so some of my buddies and I went to see it. (Was born too late to catch many Hammer titles on the big screen, so we cherished what we got.) The place that ran it was the Tivoli, one of the last cinemas in town. Balconies, carpeted staircase, and a lobby that really showed off the glossies and lobby cards they received. On Halloween night (a Saturday), they even had one of their staff dressed up as Dracula while the film played. (When SUPERMAN opened in late '78, there was a phone booth in the lobby with Clark Kent's hastily abandoned clothes.) http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/07/22/comic-book-legends-revealed-324/
Here 4 help		#29	[-]
Apr 10 12 6:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	One of the Hammer directors also told me that Satanic Rites was PD in the US. I suppose a related question is why Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires isn't PD. Would that be because the version released theatrically was the re-edited one under a different title?
ryanbrennan		#30	[-]
Apr 15 12 12:19 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	mal wrote: MYST0 wrote: "the story album that was put out for the film" Was this a promo lp or was it a commercial release? Could someone post a picture of it? I just listened to it on the AB DVD and found it to be a nice Peter Cushing item. It was a commercial release in the UK at any rate. I bought a couple of copies in my local John Menzies store in Edinburgh back in the '80s. http://www.soundtrackcoll...e+7+Golden+Vampires,+The Mal I bought it here in the U.S., I think as an import.
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Ted Newsom		#31	[-]
Apr 16 12 12:17 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There was some assumption that 7 BROTHERS MEET DRACULA was PD, and it came out on VHS, in the US cut. It may've been out on more than one lable. Same reason: the US version did not have proper copyright notice and rgistration (Max Rosenberg certainly didn't care about the long-term drawbacks to that, he just wanted to make a quick buck cheaply.) With the more recent copyright changes in the US which bring our laws in line with foreign laws, I think Hammer could make a good case for both GOLDEN VAMPIRES and SATANIC RITES being protected by their original UK copyright, but the horse is out of the barn and it's difficult to talk him and his assorted jockeys to put him back.
Atomic Mystery Monster		#32	[-]
Apr 18 12 12:13 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The story I've always heard was that Anchor Bay's video rights expired and thus made THE SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA public domain. This is, of course, complete nonsense. It would be interesting to see when both the Anchor Bay and all the "PD" copies of the film first appeared and whether or not it mirrors the claim. I recall similar (wrong) claims in regard to people explaining why the STREET FIGHTER films and THE CRIPPLED MASTERS were suddenly considered PD. By the way Ted, are you referring to this when you refer to the more recent copyright changes? Gravedigger's Local 16 - "What is he that builds stronger than either the mason, the shipwright, or the carpenter?" 6'+ (Six Foot Plus) - Musical madness (and more) from the GdL16 gang.
professor liebstrum		#33	[-]
Apr 21 12 9:23 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Also known as:• Seven Brothers Meet Dracula, The (1979, United States) • Last Warning, The (1974, Great Britain) • Legend Of The Seven Golden Vampires, The (1974, Great Britain, alternative spelling) • Dracula And The Seven Golden Vampires (1974) • 7 Brothers Versus Dracula (1974) • 7 Golden Vampires (1974, Great Britain) • 7 Brothers And A Sister Meet Dracula (1974) • 7 Brothers Of Dracula (1974, Great Britain) • Seven Golden Vampires: The Last Warning (1974, Great Britain) Call it what you like, it's still a stinker. Satanic Rites, is on the other hand, an entertaining film. Hammer get criticised for not moving with the times but they tried with this one and there's a lot to enjoy apart from the hawthorn bush Russ
Here 4 help		#34	[-]
Apr 25 12 2:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I don't think it was every properly released, not widely at any rate. It was a "promo" in that there was an obvious tie-in with the film, done at a time when Michael Carreras wanted to expand Hammer into other media. But it wasn't a free gift in every box of Golden Vampires Corn Flakes, if that's what you mean. The Seven Golden Vampires story narrated by Cushing was certainly released as an LP in UK record stores. I bought it and still have it. I also have a special LP version of Dracula narrated by Lee and with four scores on the reverse side.
Here 4 help		#35	[-]
Apr 25 12 2:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Also known as:• Seven Brothers Meet Dracula, The (1979, United States) • Last Warning, The (1974, Great Britain) • Legend Of The Seven Golden Vampires, The (1974, Great Britain, alternative spelling) • Dracula And The Seven Golden Vampires (1974) • 7 Brothers Versus Dracula (1974) • 7 Golden Vampires (1974, Great Britain) • 7 Brothers And A Sister Meet Dracula (1974) • 7 Brothers Of Dracula (1974, Great Britain) • Seven Golden Vampires: The Last Warning (1974, Great Britain) I don't know where you get these various British titles from professor. As a Brit I can assure you that it has only ever been released as The Legend of the Seven (or 7) Golden Vampires. It has never been released as 7 Brothers of Dracula or 7 Brothers Vs Dracula or The Last Warning in the UK either in the cinema, VHS or DVD. You can check out the BBFC website.
Ted Newsom		#36	[-]
Apr 25 12 10:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	There was a period of several years in which, apparently, some distributors considered 7 BROTHERS PD here, too. It was out in the US cut from at least one company, and I remember editing a show at a place in the Valley which had a 3/4" duplication master of the movie in their library (though they never released the film). That could well have been one distributor guessing that is MIGHT be PD, or just ignoring copyright law. And when that happens, other companies will often make the same assumption and put it out themselves. So, regarding the multiple-title variations (which I'd never heard, either)-- it could be true, though I've yet to see any box covers proving it. Low-rent video pirates will often change a title to throw off potential problems from the real owners, or, heck, maybe they just think they have a better title. (I saw one SATANIC RITES DVD release with the title RITES OF DRACULA, which is just made up.) However, if that list above is from IMDB, it may well be innaccurate guesswork from fans who have read some incorrect title on-line and have helpfully repeated the wrong information on IMDB. The question of SATANIC RITES being PD or not predates DVD... it was out under the COUNT DRACULA & HIS VAMPIRE BRIDE title on VHS from at least one company. Yes, Atomic Mystery, the Anchor Bay story is wrong. By the time Anchor Bay released the film under licence from Hammer, there were a number of bootlegs being sold. The Anchor Bay version looked better, since it was from a Hammer vault print. As I recall, even the previously-released boots looked pretty good, just not as much. Last Edited By: Ted Newsom Apr 25 12 10:41 PM. Edited 1 times.
WalesGuy		#37	[-]
Apr 26 12 2:23 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I always enjoy this film, and AD 1972, they are both so much better than the totally boring TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA
Atomic Mystery Monster		#38	[-]
Apr 26 12 8:57 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ted, Thanks for clearing things up for me. The situation with the 7 BROTHERS version reminds me of the one-off "PD" releases of YOG, MONSTER FROM SPACE and ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE during the 80's. You're spot-on about other shady companies latching onto a title and treating as PD simply because someone else did. That happened with some Korean anime-style films that got licensed releases from Digiview and I suspect that's why the Gamera films were suddenly treated as being PD. I've always wondered if it had anything to do with the franchise's then US rightsholder getting shipped off to Iraq... Oh, and I've heard the "RITES OF DRACULA" version was created since some retailers balked at stocking anything whose title implied Satanism. Gravedigger's Local 16 - "What is he that builds stronger than either the mason, the shipwright, or the carpenter?" 6'+ (Six Foot Plus) - Musical madness (and more) from the GdL16 gang.
Cushing.thelatarniaforums		#39	[-]
Apr 27 12 8:28 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here is the "Rites of Dracula" vhs which was put out from UAV(United American Video) Here are various vhs covers (not including the Anchor Bay release) for "The 7 Brothers Meet Dracula" and "Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires." I grabbed these pics from ebay though I do have the last one pictured (it's from Star Classics). Cushing
professor liebstrum		#40	[-]
Apr 27 12 5:36 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here 4 Help, I kind of doubted some of those titles myself but there was a link on here that bought them all up. I'm surprised to see some of those sleeves above. Russ Last Edited By: professor liebstrum Apr 27 12 5:38 PM. Edited 1 times.
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