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Nov 11 09 2:18 AM
http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/679?page=45 post 896
Keep in mind that FMTW was just one film on the studios
schedule. If they had saved all the nitrate trims and outtakes from every production, they would have had a major storage problem! This footage was probably
scrapped not long after the films release. That's what Mike Fitzgerald felt after he had searched the vaults in the mid-80's. There's a lot of
silver in that stock and this was during the war.
If this footage was ever included in an edited version
of the film, I bet it was a rough-cut that was used for editing purposes. If it had been screened publicly (even as a sneak preview) somebody would have
remembered seeing it.
http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/679?page=46 post 920
Entire scenes from films have been cut and junked since the beginning of motion pictures. In 1943, there was
no thought whatsoever to future generations of fans.
Yes, Mike Fitzgerald was the person that initiated the vault search for this footage.
Universal didn't even make a 35mm safety element on this film until 1981! I was the guy that inspected and prepped the original nitrate fine grain. I was
working for John E. Allen labs at the time
Since there are no particular jumps in the score, I'm guessing the dialogue scenes were clipped BEFORE Salter (et al) scored and/or tracked the film. Some
films, titles of which don't occur to me right now, have a noticable POP or weird drop-out when the ambient score suddenly shifts because of an edit.
Nothing like that in F MEETS W. (THUNDERBALL is one, of all things. It was rushed; the Barry title track had to be extended for another 25 seconds or so to
accomodate extra titles, or something. I think there are a number of other abrupt jumps in the music, too.)
Which therefore would indicate the dialogue decision was made even BEFORE the film negative was conformed and sent to be printed for release.... the rough cut
The Riley Book shows a trailer document dated February 4, 1943 which shows a few seconds
of the deleted Fireside Chat scene is on the original FMTW trailer of 1943, and the good news is that it may hopefully show up someday.
19 CLOSE SHOT CAVE
Larry f.g. facing Monster -
Title Comes on -
Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man
post 246 Ted Newsom
"The next document in the files is the final
dialogue and cutting continuity, dated 12/28/42 and it is the exact film as we know it today. There are no records of any script revisions or pick-ups after
the 10/7 script.
I feel the changes to the Lugosi footage had to be made sometime between the conclusion of principal photography on November 11 and the final cutting
continuity on 12/28. "
One of the errors in the Riley book, the full sentence of which is on page 119 of It's Alive
"Editing was not so fortunate. After Salter scored Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man, Waggner,
Neill, Siodmak, and various members of the professional staff congregated in a studio screening
room to see the finished product."
But, as we know from Ted's observation, there is no particular jumps in the score, the editing
was done before it was scored.
The LA preview on February 18, 1943 was the edited version of the film.
post 1309 Don Glut
"Using the Ebert Star System, I'd give FMTWM in its released state **1/2 … and if the Monster's
blindness and lines were left in ***. Yes, I believe leaving in he latter would
have improved the movie ( and Lugosi's performance ) significantly "
May I ask for additional comments - pro and con- whether the film would have been better
served without the changes to the Lugosi Monster.
The idea of the monster saying he was given a new brain, a "clever brain", is ridiculous, too. If he got a brain transplant he would be Ygor now,
not the monster, no?
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