THE 7th VOYAGE OF SINBAD (1958)

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BijouBob8mm		#141	[-]
(05/19/09 12:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	As long as you eventually like your flames pink... Sounds like the name of a late Fifties or early Sixties girl band, The Pink Flames!
Edkkakumon		#142	[-]
(05/19/09 11:23 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	What about Pink Floyd? Not a girl band. Back on topic, I do like the two headed roc. Most depictions of the roc I've seen show just a bird of magnificent size. Harryhausen was a creative genius. Quote of the month: " Never stay on the barren heights of cleverness, but come down into the green valleys of silliness," Ludwig Wittgenstein Last Edited By: Edkkakumon 05/19/09 11:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
Jethro Keane	Locations Locations Locations	#143	[-]
(05/20/09 10:13 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Charles Schneer said that locations in Spain were chosen for the film that had never been seen (at least in U.S. films) before. I'm sure every fan of THE 7th VOYAGE OF SINBAD will recognize these places: La Alhambra in Granada: Sa Conca Beach in S'Agaro at Costa Brava: Torrent de Parais: The Caves at Arta: Of course, Cinematographer Wilkie Cooper was careful not to include the snack bar shack and the bicycle in the camera frame. Sierra De Guadarrama: Some of these locations were used in other films after SINBAD, in other Harryhausen films and in other films as well. I don't know if anyone out there has been to any of these places and if they changed drastically, But it is one of my dreams to be able to travel to Spain one day and visit these places, especially Sierra De Guadarrama, where my favorite scene in the film was shot.
BijouBob8mm		#144	[-]
(05/20/09 10:19 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	What about Pink Floyd? Not a girl band. Did I accuse Pink Floyd of sounding like a girl band? Buddy of mine was a DJ for years. Because of his job, he was given backstage passes to one of PF's concerts one summer and he & I were supposed to go. (We'd been Floyd fans ever since we were kids and the Wish You Were Here album first came out.) Then he and his wife (who hated Floyd) got into a fight and she decided she was going to go to the concert with him instead, just to annoy him even more. (Even though I ended up staying behind, I'm thinking I had the more pleasant evening.) Most depictions of the roc I've seen show just a bird of magnificent size. Which is how it appears in the Arabian Nights tales. Adding the second head was a nice touch. Ditto the horn on the cyclops.
TomWeaver999		#145	[-]
(05/20/09 11:57 AM) Vazec Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	7TH VOYAGE screenwriter Ken Kolb told me he objected to the idea of a two-headed roc ("A giant roc was bad enough, why did it also have to have two heads?") but he was overruled.
Whatsallthis		#146	[-]
(05/22/09 12:13 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The Roc had two heads probably for the same reason the Cyclops had satyr/goat-like legs. He wanted his creatures to appear as though there couldn't possibly be anything like a man in a suit or a real bird being filmed. Now, the satyr legs can be duplicated mechanically as part of a costume: "How can I handcuff a bloomin' shirt??!?"
Edkkakumon		#147	[-]
(05/22/09 11:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	On the Cyclops, Harryhausen wanted more than just a big human with one eye. He wanted it to have an inhuman quality about it. Quote of the month: " Never stay on the barren heights of cleverness, but come down into the green valleys of silliness," Ludwig Wittgenstein
Ted Newsom		#148	[-]
(05/23/09 11:43 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Eh. The Cyclops in the movie is a natural confluence of previous elements from literature. In the Arabian Nights' recitations of Sinbad's 7 voyages, he and his crew encounter a giant which captures them, roasts them on a spit and eats them, until Sinbad tricks his way out. The Arabian version of the story, c. 600 or so, was obviously lifted from the Homeric version with Odysseus, in which the giant was Polyphemus, the cyclops. The only difference is, the Sinbad version's giant doesn't have a single eye, and the payoff gag ("My name is No Man" "No Man has put out my eye!" "Then it must be the work of the gods and we can do nothing.") is missing, probably because the Arabian world was monotheistic by then, and a plural "gods" wouldn't go over well. In another of the voyages, Sinbad & crew encounter a fantastic and unbelievable creature in a distant land which they call a rhinocerous: a beast bigger than a horse, with a bone horn right there smack dab in da mittle of its forehead. Conflate the two and you have the basic design for the 1958 cyclops: giant one-eyed man with a rhino horn. The centaurian legs, yup, there's some more mix'n'match with mythic imagery. It's a neat monster.
Buzz Dixon		#149	[-]
(05/23/09 9:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Ted, I think Sinbad does encounter a cyclops in the original Arabian Nights.
Bill Warren		#150	[-]
(05/24/09 12:17 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Wikipedia has an informative but somewhat brief entry on Sinbad the Sailor (who did have seven voyages, but the 7th wasn't much like the movie tale). They're part of The Arabian Nights, among the tales told by Sheherazad (sp?) to prevent her being slain. They were retold by Sir Richard Burton. In one of the Voyages, Sinbad does encounter a man-eating monster that Burton says must be Polyphemus, the Cyclops that threatened Ulysses/Odysseus. But it's not clear if in the original story, the giant has only one eye.
Ted Newsom		#151	[-]
(05/24/09 1:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	In researching Harryhausen & 7th Voyage, I read the Burton translation, and, no, the giant in the Arabian Nights story is not a cyclops. Classically, the Ulysses/Odysseus take IS a cyclops, one of a whole race of them-- but that may well be an elaboration added by various Homers down through the centuries in retelling the saga. Burton's comments (and those of most anyone familiar with the stories) are that these Arabian Nights fantasies are twice-told versions of far more ancient sailor myths, probably dating back to the Phoenecians, repeated through generations and filtered through the local culture. Thus the Greek retelling makes the protagonist a Greek, the Middle Eastern version makes the sailor an Arab, etc. Last Edited By: Ted Newsom 05/24/09 2:06 PM. Edited 1 times.
skelton knaggs		#152	[-]
(05/24/09 7:00 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Do the Arabian Nights stories mention anything of Sinbad's two best friends, Hazen Ben Sober or Halfa Dala ?
Edkkakumon		#153	[-]
(05/24/09 11:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The Arabian Nights tales of Sinbad mention only Sinbad by name. He's the focus of the stories. Quote of the month: " Never stay on the barren heights of cleverness, but come down into the green valleys of silliness," Ludwig Wittgenstein
The Drunken Severed Head		#154	[-]
(05/25/09 2:00 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	skelton knaggs wrote: Do the Arabian Nights stories mention anything of Sinbad's two best friends, Hazen Ben Sober or Halfa Dala ? No, but they mention his cousins, Omar Gosh and Ibin En Sidr. http://www.drunkenseveredhead.blogspot.com/
Edkkakumon		#155	[-]
(05/25/09 3:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	In Seventh Voyage, several stories from the original tales are combined to make the movie. On the fourth voyage, he meets a dark skinned, man-like giant with " eyes that glow like coals." On another, he encounters a huge serpent, which became a dragon for the film. On two seperate voyages, he encounters the roc. The second encounter has sinbad and his men find a Roc egg. It hatches, and they kill the young bird for food. Sinbad urges them to leave quickly. The parent retaliates by dropping boulders on Sinbad's vessel. Quote of the month: " Never stay on the barren heights of cleverness, but come down into the green valleys of silliness," Ludwig Wittgenstein
BijouBob8mm		#156	[-]
(06/03/09 10:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The Arabian Nights tales of Sinbad mention only Sinbad by name. He's the focus of the stories. Depending on the translation, Sinbad is relating his life and adventures to Hinbad the Porter or (in some versions) Sinbad the Porter.
SAM33		#157	[-]
(06/13/09 12:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I re-watched the Blu Ray last night, actually find it's pretty darn good. I think like many, my expectations were unrealistic when this first came out. I somehow hoped for some magic tech miracle that would take the inherent grain that Dynamation had and make it go away while keeping all the original information. Of course that's impossible. Really, the color, framing, and clarity are as good as one can realistically hope for given the age and circumstances of this film. Only complaint left is the missing yellow on the baby Roc. Perhaps that could be corrected on a future remaster. Short of owning a mint 35mm IB Technicolor print (and it's doubtful any still are in existence?) this is probably as good as it's ever gonna get. SAM33
joker5339	loved it	#158	[-]
(06/14/09 1:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	saw it in the theater with my dad. made me a harryhausen fan for life.
FEEDBACK		#159	[-]
(07/02/09 8:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Anyone know who sung the track, "Sinbad May Have Been Bad But He's Been Good To Me!" It's included as a special feature on the 50th anniversary DVD. Apparently, it was a 45 released in '58 to promote the film's release.
Edkkakumon		#160	[-]
(07/02/09 10:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Rather corny. Quote of the month: " To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer," anonymous

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