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Ditto. My love for monster (monstuh) movies came from seeing them on TV in the NJ/NYC area all throughout my childhood (I was born in 1967).
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CAPTAINCOMPANY |
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Hey guys! And for us "Tri-State Monsterkids", let us not forget ABC's (Channel 7 in NY/NJ area) "4:30 Movie" which ran through most of
the 1970's...a perfect way to introduce you to Godzilla, ape populated planets, Vincent Price/Poe/Corman movies, etc, etc.
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Mongo:Well, to be fair, "the seeds" go back all the way to 1958 with the release of the Shock package by Screen Gems. Ever see the picture of the Frankenstein monster sitting outside Yankee Stadium promoting ABC's late night Shock Theater? I have several old TV Guides, but a better resource has proven to be the ProQuest database that lets you search old New York Times TV listings (that's what I used for a couple of the DvdDrive-In site's NYC Monster Movie Memories columns I contributed to). And you think TV Guide reviews were short and idiosyncratic? For a somewhat dodgy title, the Times would often give only this description (or advice): "Your move." Huh? Wuh? In general, I would agree with Joe that, at least in the New York/New Jersey area, there were many more horror/sci-fi titles that seemed to run all weekend (and frequently during the week). Of course, this is back when local independent channels (which NY had three of - channels 5, 9 and 11) actually ran old movies. When channel 5 started running their Creature Features showcase in late 1969, Saturday night became the monster movie night. For a while, Chiller Theater on channel 11 and Creature Features on 5 actually ran opposite one another, forcing Monster Kids in that pre-VCR era to choose one over the other. You can bet there was lots of dial-turning (remember dials?) during the commercial break ("So many of the melodies of well-known popular songs were actually written by the great masters, like these familiar themes..." ). As
mentioned, there was the 4:30 movie on ABC that would often have "theme" weeks (Godzilla, Japanese monsters, Fly movies, etc.) and later the CBS Late
Night Movie on Fridays would show AIP and Hammer titles you generally never saw during the day or early evening.
So, yeah, there were many more genre titles on general broadcast TV back then. But that's where stuff gets tricky. Are we only talking about broadcast TV? Are we adding in cable channels? How basic the channel? What about digital channels. What about Netflix on demand? One thing I never forget is that while there were many more old horror and sci-fi titles on air back then, there are many more available today courtesy of vhs, dvd, and, of course, the internet. If he were of a mind to, the interested fan can readily download tons of famous and not-so-famous genre titles. Looking back, the really fallow period for NYC monster movie-watching would seem to be the mid- to late-1980s. VHS was spreading but many monster titles still weren't yet out, but local TV had already dropped much of their genre showcases (except for something like Fright Night on WWOR). Luckily I discovered Joel Eisner's Horror and Sci-Fi Emporium store in Greenwich Village where you could rent VHS tapes (including lots of dubs). There were lots of titles I got to see thanks to him that I hadn't seen in years.
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>> For a somewhat dodgy title, the NY Times would often give only this description (or advice): "Your move." Huh? Wuh? <<
The TIMES once published a MOVIES ON TV-like book whose primary allure, the intro told the reader, was those stupid, usually unfathomable two- and three-word "zingers" which (again from the intro) had NY TIMES readers chortling every day from coast to coast when they'd appear next to movie titles on the TV TODAY page of the paper. Asshats. |
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Wich2 |
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Yep.
Gotta be a real Clyde to get your jollies by printing the snarkiest, SHORTEST bon mot with which to dismiss dozens of other folks months of hard work! |
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<< Howard Thompson invented the Times capsule style in the 1960s and continued to write them on contract after his 1988 retirement, according to his 2002
Times obituary. Among his greatest clips cited in the obit were assessments of The Guns of Navarone ("Allied commando mission. Strong on scenery but
weighs 10 tons."); Matilda ("A boxing kangaroo. What the world needs now."); and The Wrath of God ("They said it, we didn't and
it's pretty close."). <<
If the three crappy zingers above are the TIMES' best and wittiest, this gives you an idea what a steamin' puddle of hot vomit all the others were. |
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I was pretty young at the time I remember reading and enjoying those 3 or 4 word Howard Thompson critiques. Most of the time he would use file reviews but
every so often he would customize them for a particular screening. When THE MYSTERIANS was being aired on Channel 2's Late Late Show, he wrote
"Earsplitting especially at this hour."
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I've posted this before but it bears repeating anytime this subject comes up. It's a link to a series of terrific DVDDrive-In articles about NY/NJ
Monster Kid TV in the 60's and 70's. You'll find schedules of Chiller Theatre, Creature Features, The 4:30 Movie and much, much more here ....
http://www.dvddrive-in.com/TV%20Guide/monstermemories.htm A big ol' tip of the hat to Greg Stevens, aka the CHFB's own, grgstv338, who authored the wonderful pieces on Creature Features and The CBS Friday Night Late Movie.
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grgstv338 wrote:"I'm sure you'll recognize this lovely melody, 'A Stranger In Paradise' ". Luckily I discovered Joel Eisner's Horror and Sci-Fi Emporium store in Greenwich Village where you could rent VHS tapes (including lots of dubs). There were lots of titles I got to see thanks to him that I hadn't seen in years. Same here. I used to drive into Manhattan and rent the dubs by the dozen. |
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Dr Spyclops wrote:GREAT WORK, GREG! (I didn't realize he was grgstv338)! Loved the listings there on DVDDrive-In. Thanks for doing them! |
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"I'm sure you'll recognize this lovely melody, 'A Stranger In Paradise' "."But did you know that the original theme is from the Polovtsian Dance No. 2 by Borodin?" You know, I think we actually had those records! Re the movie listings, I keep meaning to go back to the start of Shock Theater in 1958 and list what they showed and the order in which it aired, but the problem is that (naturally) the earlier you go back the more incomplete some of the newspaper scans are. (I did get far enough to realize that it wasn't all classic Universal stuff... there were an awful lot of Columbia mysteries and horror-in-name only kind of stuff; I can only imagine how disappointed a fledgling Monster Kid would have been back then on certain nights). |
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What I liked about the local station in Iowa that showed monster & scifi flics when I was a teen was it continually added new batches of films to the
rotation.
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grgstv338 wrote:The late and much missed Dick Nitelinger, who posted in this forum, researched the contents and air dates of the Shock package as it played on Milwaukee television in 1958-1959. Link. The 16mm prints traveled among local TV stations, so the air dates varied from market to market. I assume the major markets like NYC and LA got first shot at the prints. |
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"I can only imagine how disappointed a fledgling Monster Kid would have been back then on certain nights"
Greg, I know that in the mid-'70's, I wasn't too thrilled whe Ft. Wayne's PSYCHOCINEMA stuck me with "The Man Who Reclaimed His Head"! -Craig |
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Washington DC also had a wonderful weekend line-up during the late 1970s. Channel 20 was the leader, and ran the AIP library on Saturday afternoons, showing
everything from Corman/Price/Poe to Toho to peplum to Bava to obscure British imports. On Saturday nights, Count Gore DeVol ran the Universal package, an
ocassional AVCO release, and the world television premiere of NOTLD. Channel 5 was a snooty serious film-lovers channel, but I did tune in for the extremely
infrequent showings of MGM horrors like MARK OF THE VAMPIRE, THE DEVIL DOLL and THE UNHOLY THREE. And DC's PBS channel showed loads of silent films (Lang
and Murnau) and obscure foreign imports from the Janus collection.
Baltimore also had their share of horror shows. On Friday nights, Channel 2 would show 1970s indies and the Brian Clemens "Thriller" series. Channel 11 favored Hammer Films. Channel 13 showed the RKO library; not just the Lewton films, but PHANTOM OF CRESTWOOD and THIRTEEN WOMEN as well. Channel 45 had a zero operating budget, but Saturday night's "Ghost Host" ran a little bit of everything, from Hammer to Bava to Universal (including quasi-horrors the other stations neglacted... like THE MAN WHO RECLAIMED HIS HEAD and MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD). I also picked up channel 8 from Richmond, Va. Their Saturday night "Shock Theatre" made a mockery of horror films, because they deliberately got the worst genre films from AA, UA, Hemisphere and Independent International. DC's channel 7 ran a daily "Dialing for Dollars" type movie, and would ocassionally run horror theme weeks. They showed a lot of vomitous European imports, 1970s AIP trash, and Al Adamson offal, but sometimes snuck in a good Hammer Film. I recall that they once booked THE HOUSE THAT SCREAMED for their 2 hour time slot. Because this only gave them 15 minutes for commercials (they preferred much more ad time) they showed the first 90 minutes on one day, and the remaining 15 minutes the following day, filling out the remainder of the show with cartoons! |
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Dude, you are a man after my own heart..I remember doing just this thing during the commercials. My cousin and I would turn the TV dial back and forth between 5 and 11 in the early 70's. Creature Features was always our fave, because always had that weird remastered version of "Vistors From Space" as done by Dick Jacobs And His Orchestra as the opening theme.grgstv338 wrote: |
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Dr Spyclops |
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We'll return to "TV GUIDE MONSTERS: Yesterday and Today" after a word from our sponsor...
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Wich2 |
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John Williams.
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Joe Karlosi |
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Now y'see, watching that ad makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. It's interesting that at the actual time the movies were aired, commercials like this
were annoying and intrusive. But as you can see today, there are people who are frantically trying to search for old commercials just like this one, and are
offering them on YouTube. It's like I always say -- if I had the ability to acquire old tapes of broadcasts like CREATURE FEATURES or CHILLER THEATER, it
wouldn't be the movies themselves I'd be as interested in; I'd be more wowed to see all the old commercials and bumpers!
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PhantomXCI |
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I believe that ad holds the record for being the longest-running TV commercial in history. It premiered in the early '70s (probably 1971), and was still running 15 years later!
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