Kane wanted to be one of the big boys -- a newspaper comic strip artist like Caniff, Gould and Gray. They all used assistants and ghosts and took full credit
for their strips. Eisner himself used other writers and artists to produce the Spirit. But the strip was always signed Will Eisner. I think Feiffer revealed
that one of his early jobs on the strip was signing Eisner's name! Kane probably felt he was following in this tradition. But his enormous ego forced him
to deny or downplay the contributions of any one else. Fortunately, times have changed and now contributors are credited.
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Kane probably felt he was following in this tradition. But his enormous ego forced him to deny or downplay the contributions of any one else. I don't agree with that any more than I agree with some people saying the same thing about Stan Lee. Both men had big egos (which they earned, for if there was no Kane or Lee, the face of comics would be different), but generally give credit where credit is due.
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(06/22/08 12:48 PM) |
I think in the case of Kane he didn't give credit until he was forced to. And to get a deeper insight into the man, check out his BATMAN AND ME book where
he presents what are obviously phoney drawings and sketches to show greater authorship over iconic Batman elements.
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(06/22/08 2:18 PM) |
"Both men had big egos (which they earned, for if there was no Kane or Lee, the face of comics would be different), but generally give credit where credit is due." Dear Jack- In Kane's case, that simply doesn't fit the facts. As David said, he only begrudgingly gave anyone credit - and after his hand was forced. There's his famous early '60's letter to a fanzine, in which, after they had floated the slightest hint that he might have had help through the years, he emphatically denied it. Then MUCH later, when his cover was well and truly blown, he had the temerity to call Bill Finger, "the unsung hero of Batman." Simple question: just WHO had so loudly "UNsung" him for all those years? If you haven't read the material at DIAL B FOR BLOG, it's very enlightening. The case against Kane is very solid, and not based on jealousy. Best,
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(06/22/08 3:05 PM) |
Almost nobody, writers or artists, was credited on comic book stories from 1938 to the late 1950s or early 1960s. (EC was a
notable exception.) I don't know how Kane managed it, but his deal with National was more restrictive on >them< than on him. I was once told that
his father was a lawyer, noticed how National had treated Siegel & Shuster, and worked out a much better deal for Bob. But I was also told that Kane
himself worked out the details of the contract. Whatever, the result was that National had to credit every single Batman story to Bob Kane.
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(06/22/08 3:18 PM) |
Bill Warren wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Men-Tomorrow-Geeks-Gangsters-Birth/dp/0465036562
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(06/22/08 3:26 PM) |
Good call, Hal -- MEN OF TOMORROW is simply one of the absolute best books ever on the subject, and so well-written it's literally a riveting page-turner
as well -- kinda like a non-fiction KAVALIER AND KLAY.
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ByronOrlok wrote: A perfect description (and I read them both in the same week)! |
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A new, fuller Spirit Trailer is HERE!
While there are many mega-hot women, it sure plays like Sin City 2 to me.... |
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(07/15/08 1:31 PM) |
Well, the second trailer looks a little bit less like a straight SIN CITY knock-off, but it still doesn't look anything like a "SPIRIT" movie.
Wonder what's going on with all those surrealistic psychedelic montage-y scenes? Dream sequences maybe? And that music -- huh. I dunno, the whole thing
just seems kinda -- skanky.
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ByronOrlok wrote: I don't think so. Don't forget that Eisner was the elder statesman of surrealistic design motif. I'd pretty much expect such sequences to occur throughout (and in truth, I'd be a little disappointed if they didn't). And that music -- huh.A loud and clear heads up not to expect a retro-nostalgia take. No SKY CAPTAIN here. Personally, I'm grateful for the warning. Still not ready to throw in the towel on this thing quite yet: I get a Mike Hammer meets Maurice Binder vibe from the trailer. And that's pretty much what I'll be going in hoping to see.
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Dr Acula wrote: Yep. but it doesn't feel quite right. Still, Lionsgate might have a bit more confidence in it as they moved the film from January to December 25th, Christmas Day.
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Yeah, just watched the new trailer. I'm sorry, I just can't be interested in this.
"Your brain is too feeble to concieve what I have accomplished!!"
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(07/20/08 8:51 AM) |
It looks like NO ONE involved in the production has the slightest interest in Will Eisner...
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"Skanky" from Frank Miller? Why, I don't believe it... Trailer looks stylish. But then so was Sin City and it was too... skanky, for me. |
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(07/22/08 8:21 PM) |
Absolutely LOVED the trailer for this before the new Batman...almost as much as I loved The Dark Knight.
Can't wait to plant my butt on a seat for this one. |
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Attaboy, MyDarkSide.
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Ugh...I'll pass on this one. It doesn't look like it retains much if any of Will Eisner's character.
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You can see some footage here:
http://www.stomptokyo.com/scott/nerds/?p=1068 I have to agree with the header of this page -- 'what the hell is wrong with Frank Miller?' (Though I'm sure many benighted souls are going to say how 'dark' it looks.) |
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To begin with, Eisner's Spirit did not wear black clothes. He couldn't--the printing of the Sunday supplement pages simply
didn't allow that kind of thing. The spirit wore a light blue suit and matching fedora, with, yes, a red tie, but a white shirt. He wasn't Batman.
And most Spirit stories had a lot of humor, an arch, wry quality that suffuses almost everything Eisner did. That trailer doesn't look wriy to me. From
the beginning, I thought Frank Miller was a very bad match for Eisner's material; I see nothing here to suggest otherwise.
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