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GaryP11111 wrote:

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I'm a reactionary. I know reactionary when I see it. This isn't reactionary. The pros and cons are being weighed but the conclusion is simply not the one you seem to prefer.

Susan Atkins violated a social contract with the culture she live in. That contract stipulates that if you take a human life under certain conditions, you forfeit your own life or you spend the rest of your life in prison....

I remember when some folks out there in the collective asylum known as America where actually defending citizens shooting and killing law enforcement officers (FBI, ATF) during & after the Ruby Ridge/Waco incidents of the 1990s. "It's tragic, and I'm sorry those cops were killed, but they just should'nt have approached those people like that, so belligerently. Johnny Law was just asking for trouble, starting a confrontation like that, when better methods could've been used."

That's how the argument went, anyway. Now contrast this with cases in New York, wherein unarmed, innocent men were shot (40 and 50 times, for God's sake!!!) by cops who panicked and overreacted... Not a peep from the same people who were (more or less) defending the besieged cultists at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Now they actually defend the cops! ("It's tragic, but mistakes happen... The police simply can't afford to take any chances nowadays!" -- and so on.

Can you guess what the difference is between the people who were holed up at Ruby Ridge/Waco and the New York men who were killed -- besides the fact that the New Yorkers (one was reaching for his wallet, the other a man attending his bachelor party) were unarmed and didn't do anything?

Justice must be utterly blind and completely bereft of emotion. Vengeance has no part to play in real honest-to-God justice.

Batman is right.

Ted Newsom wrote:

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In retrospect, "some folks" seem to have had a good point about both Waco and Ruby Ridge, since pretty much the same thing happened with these fundie Mormons, and not a shot had to be fired. Nobody had to be shot on either side, and nobody was burned to death. And there, they had a whole town around them. Better methods were used.

I completely agree. Law enforcement bungled those raids horribly. But, as I'm sure you'll agree, that does not in any way shape or form condone the cultists gunning down FBI & ATF agents.

I just can't wrap my head around the idea that the same people who "defended" the Ruby Ridge/Waco wackos remain completely silent about, or are sympathetic to, cops who gun down unarmed men (one for reaching for his wallet, the other for "moving his car in a threatening manner".)