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The Jungle Book, though one of Disney's least scary films, is alarmingly sexual at times. I'm wouldn't be surprised if Scarlet Street had a go at
it. I mean, that snake is damn kinky. Brrrrr.....
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Bill Warren wrote: Bill I feel your pain, but I think that Winne the pooh in the tree getting stung was extremely scary-I have nightmares to this very day. |
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On 06/28/08 taraco wrote: The banshee attack in DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE was the most frightening single scene of my movie childhood.For most of us of a certain age that is the definitive answer. As for Bill Warren's objection I don't believe the topic was restricted to Disney animation. As far as kids traumatized by Disney I don't think that was fair. There seems to be a belief that everything a child is exposed to should be bland and nonthreatening. Bull****! It is honest that in Disney films the dark side is presented. A bit off-topic but the Warner's cartoons that I call their "sadism" cartoons (the evil mice in the haunted house, the appalling mind games that mice Hubie and Bertie play on Claude cat, and the poor cat who is the victim of the gambling bug - "Oh NO! Not 'Happy Birthday'!") were quite comforting to me as a child.They let me know that really sadistic, sick sh** was a part of everyday life. I wasn't the only one to notice. In Treasure Island the bit where Jim Hawkins has to shoot Israel Hands in the face has been cited as a childhood fright but Disney was treating the kids with some respect. As far as that traumatizing kids,well the average Lifetime movie is more genuinely more traumatic as they deal with child abuse and other horrors which can touch the average person's life. My other nominee for the Disney moment that scared the"Pee Waddin's" out of me is the bit in Pinocchio in which Lampwick transforms in front of Pinocchio while pleading for help. Brrr! ![]() ![]() ![]()
opticalguy1954@yahoo.com (Spencer Gill)
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disney movies were quite frightining to me in my childhood my mom and dad jokeingly called me the most frightined child ever born becouse alot scared me lol
the donkey scean from pinocchio made me lose a week of sleep snow white was scary as well now as a 22 year old man i still get the willies from these films |
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Is there a correlation between Walt's death and the "blanding" of Disney films? Is that when the "dark side" became less dark? How many
of the big scares we're talking about came post-Walt?
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yendor1152 |
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I think that Walt understood that children LIKED to be scared...after all, isn't it what we all remember as adults? And the scares were delicious ones,
ones that really rattled our cages and stayed potent long after the film itself fades. Snow White was about a pure as snow girl who dies. Not one post on any
Disney thread here mentioned her trilling "Some Day My Prince Will Come" or even the seven dwarfs. Oh, but the witch and evil queen and her magic
mirror have been mentioned quite a bit. Why? Because we secretly love them.
Take Darby O'Gill, for example. The banshee and headless driver scenes have been cited all the way through this thread. They've been termed "traumatic," but aren't they really just "memorable?" Would we even be discussing Darby O'Gill at ALL, if it hadn't been for those scenes? As for the dark side weakening when Walt died, it's no secret that the company lost its way for a LONG time after he passed away. They really didn't find their footing until 1984 with Splash and 89 with The Little Mermaid. That's twenty years after Walt's departure! And they tried everything to find their footing--especially in the late 70's and early 80's--and they all failed. Finally, through some glitch of luck, they hit with Splash. Then Little Mermaid resurrected the animated film and set it on the course we see today. Were there dark scenes in the newer films? Yes. Ursula the sea witch is presented as a crafty, sly but definitely evil character, and her death scene is quite frightening. The Hunchback of Notre Dame contained a scene where a baby is thrown down a well (or at least that's threatened). The Beauty and the Beast has a vicious stabbing and attack by wolves that is quite scary. The death of Simba's father was tragic, etc. The darkness is still present...but let's face it, we're not children anymore, and those scenes are absorbed much more easily when you're an adult. As a child, however! Whoa. Rod |
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Wow! 3 for the Scarecrow of Romney Marsh!
I guess quite a few kids were scared by the Scarecrow & I've heard that a lot of moms complained & Disney pulled it from rotation for a few years. I was just the opposite- in '64 I was 7 & already a fan of Treasure Island (my bedtime story) & Robin Hood (through the 'big' golden book) & I thought the Scarecrow was the coolest thing I'd ever seen! I was Dr. Syn for a number of Halloweens after~ The end of last year I finally got tired of waiting for Disney to release it and bought a 'boot' copy on Ebay, & my wife bought me a (kids) novel based on the movie... I'd love to reget the Gold Key comics, one day~
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What scared me beyond anything else in Disney films was Cruella De Vil at the end of 101 DALMATIANS - you know the shot I mean... Eyes blazing, teeth gritted,
hair flailing, STILL one of the scariest images I remember from any film! Strange really, I didn't find her at all menacing through the rest of the movie.
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It's interesting, but Cruella was supposed to be an old classmate of the heroine. Yet, Cruella looked forty years older!
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As for Bill Warren's objection I don't believe the topic was restricted to Disney animationWhat objection? David said he thought maybe the Banshee was animated; all I was doing was pointing out that it wasn't. |
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Walt being freeze dried scares the daylights out of me!
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<<I have to second the emotion. The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh gave me the willies!>>
<I will third that motion, his laugh is what scared me as a kid. I had the 45 rpm record of the theme song to the show that I listened to as a kid and on the cover was the picture of the Scarecrow, which also scared me, but I couldn't keep from looking at it.> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrkxui4CAms
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I have to go with Lampwick's transformation in PINOCCHIO, the Queen as Witch in SNOW WHITE, the horde of hungry and very angry cannibals in 20,000 LEAGUES
UNDER THE SEA, the death of Robin Hood's father in THE STORY OF ROBIN HOOD and, worst of all, Peter Finch's demise by closing drawbridge in THE STORY
OF ROBIN HOOD. If memory serves me correctly, he's not crushed, but, rather, pinched to death. Egad!
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Hedley L wrote: Never fear. He wasn't. He was buried in a normal fashion, not far from George Burns, actually. And Wendy Ackerman, as far as
that goes. Well, he wasn't buried, exactly; he's in a wall crypt at Forest Lawn Glendale.
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What amazes me is that there are parents out there who would never let their children watch a classic horror film but have no qualms about buying them Disney films.Vincent Price said Disney's SNOW WHITE was one of the scariest films he had ever seen. Walt being freeze dried scares the daylights out of me!I always think of those rumors of Walt's alleged final fate whenever I see an add for "Disney on Ice!" The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh gave me the willies!Can't wait for its DVD debut, this winter!!! |
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Watched Darby O'Gill and the Little People last night and was more traumatized by seeing Sean Connery with REAL HAIR than anything else Disney has ever had
to offer!
The banshee is indeed a frightening spectre but one that can obviously be dispelled by hitting it with a shovel or throwing a lantern its way. The effect itself looks like some kind of negative and is not animated, as Bill pointed out. I tried to make out the face, which is either an old woman or someone made up like an old woman--and it has a tendency to swoop around like a chromakey effect, which isn't always to "effective." It looked best when suspended high above the action. As for the ghost coach, it was a sublime effect. Loved it! Especially how the driver's shoulders were built up to disguise the head of the actual person. Rod
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I tried to make out the face, which is either an old woman or someone made up like an old womanYou mean it's not really Emperor Palpatine?!!! |
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In the novelization, the banshee had the face of a hare. That may be what they tried for in the movie.
This movies looks very Oirish, but was shot in and near Burbank. I was a bit surprised that in saying "banshee" the actors pronounced it "ban-SHEE" rather than "BAN-shee." |
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On 07/06/08 Bill Warren wrote in reply to my post:
As for Bill Warren's objection I don't believe the topic was restricted to Disney animation Sorry to misread you. No, the Banshee was a costumed performer shot against a black background and composited with some clever additional optical effects; pretty much areas of differing brightness got differing diffused glow passes. The Banshee was matted into dark scenes which, along with the edge glow, helped hide the Banshee's matted edges. Pretty cool. In fact they tried to copy the look for Jack the Giant Killer. In this shot from Jack the Giant Killer(below) the Howard Anderson folks added an edge glow in green and an additional blue glow pass. To help out the effect they switched the colors separations so that the red light went through the green or blue (it's been a while since I've done this so I can't be 100% sure) and so on which is why the sky goes a dark magenta. They did this in the Monitor's room on Metaluna in This Island Earth. Anyway a darker sky really shows the added glows. In most of the shots (the effect was only used in the kidnapping of Princess Elaine sequence) it looked as if the performers in the monster costumes were shot in the scene with the rest of the actors and then rotoscoped (they drew the mattes by hand, frame by frame) and the glows added later. It looks as if the outside edge got the green glow and the edges of shadow areas got the blue. The flying litter into which they place Elaine was obviously matted into the scenes in which it flew. The Disney Banshee was a much more elegantly done effect that benefited from both the Disney crew taking more time to test and to test each set-up. Also the input of the animation department on what would look good must've been a big help.
And then he added: Lampwick's transformation, particularly when his trembling hands turn into hooves, still scares me..Amen to that brother Bill! As an adult that creeped me out especially as the vocal performance is so terrifying!
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