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(06/25/08 1:12 PM) |
cojobe wrote: Connie -- from what I know of what has happened years ago, it DOES sound like Ray's buttons were certainly pushed.
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(06/25/08 1:28 PM) |
Until we are there, in that moment, how would any of us know what we would do or say?Connie, I totally understand your point. I guess what I was saying is that, while Ray has (justifiably) cautioned the public about making rash statements, he has made them, himself. Not intended as an attack, only the observation that both sides have participated in similar behavior. Nothing more. On a more positive note, are you at liberty to talk about the potential for more poster magazines, or the earlier-mentioned Creepy Monsters? (Or are they even still under consideration?) |
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(06/25/08 2:39 PM) Burgomaster |
Abbott comes out and says "Why are you yelling fire? There's no fire." To which Costello replied "Who do you think is going to come if I yell "bathtub!"This analogy seems to be the reverse of the real situation. If Ray yelled, "corruption!" it would be more likely to make people take his situation seriously than yelling something ridiculous like "Al Quaeda!"
Kerry Gammill
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(06/25/08 2:52 PM) |
Well, both "corruption" AND "Al Quaeda" are pretty far-out. The idea that lawyers and judges and top politicians and and and and and
conspired together over a nickel-and-dime enterprise like FM is just preposterous.
"Okay, let's divvy this up. Governor Schwarzenegger, you get the rights to the name Dr. Acula ... Sandra Day O'Connor has first dibs on Captain Company's rubber-fly-in-the-ice-cube concession....." -- I mean, come ON, Ray ... ! |
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(06/25/08 3:48 PM) |
It may sound ridiculous to say that there was government corruption surrounding the FM case. But cliches exist for a reason and like I said, "truth is
stranger than fiction." I don't think the question is whether the court officials and trustees went after Famous Monsters. We need to remmber that
there were other aspects attached to the disposition of Famous Monsters. There was property both real and otherwise. Ferry has said that his home alone was
valued at $500,000 to $650,000. He also estimates that $100,000 worth of collectibles have taken a walk. Where are they? Even if puffing is taken into account
and the value is only $50,000 or $25,000 that could give somebody the motivation to do something underhanded. It happens. Fortunately, in today's
information age everything leaves an electronic footprint. Very little is done without being documented.
And let me speak to the yet unknowing world How these things came about: so shall you hear Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts, Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters, Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause, And, in this upshot, purposes mistook Fall'n on the inventors' reads: all this can I Truly deliver. Horatio, Hamlet, Scene the Last |
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(06/25/08 3:53 PM) |
Um, I think the key to being a healthy horror film fan is knowing when to suspend willing suspension of disbelief.
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(06/25/08 3:56 PM) |
I've heard all kinds of stories, some from people peripherally involved in the matter.
I'll limit myself to saying that the whole thing sounds very strange, sad, and petty all around. No offense is meant to anyone involved. The original Famous Monsters was a nice part of my childhood. That magazine no longer exists, and I suspect no revival will ever duplicate its simple and relatively innocent pleasures.
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(06/25/08 4:01 PM) |
<< Ferry has said that his home alone was valued at $500,000 to $650,000. <<
But ... but ... would a large number of judges, lawyers, politicians, etc., "at the highest level" really bother with a $500,000 house, divided 22 ways between 'em? I can't believe that you could get ONE to risk his/her career for the whole house! But I dunno. Toss in "Dr. Acula" and the ice cube rubber fly and YOU AXED FOR IT and a pair of Ackerman's old briefs (with letter of authenticity) and Arlis' newest finger painting of the Creeping Terror, and maybe the temptation would be too strong even for the highest strata of public servants. It wouldn't be the first time in my life that I was wrong about something. Might be the second or maybe even the third by now.
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(06/25/08 4:13 PM) |
Yes, you need to be rational. But, you also need to be open minded. When somebody says that they have the documentation that corruption exists give them enough
rope to hang themselves. I don't know what the truth is, none of us do at this point. To say you do is to be arrogant. We are only the by standers.
Accusations have been made. Now the accusations need to either be proven or disproven. But, anybody who thinks that fraud and corruption don't exist in our
government on every level is an ostrich.
I think that having the capacity to listen to facts, no matter how absurd they appear to be outwardly, before jumping to a conclusion is healthy. The suggestion that it is unhealthy to listen to somebody before jumping to that conclusion is insulting. |
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(06/25/08 4:32 PM) |
TomWeaver999 wrote:
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(06/25/08 4:32 PM) |
This is exactly the trouble with the kind of toxicity that has swirled around FM for the last few years... it spreads. It even has the power to twist some of
the best members here into attacking each other...
Best, -Craig W. |
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(06/25/08 4:35 PM) |
But ... but ... would a large number of judges, lawyers, politicians, etc., "at the highest level" really bother with a $500,000 house, divided 22 ways between 'em? I can't believe that you could get ONE to risk his/her career for the whole house! We don't know, Tom. But, I read in one of your posts once that we tend to think small. Think bigger about this. What Ray Ferry has suggested is that there were two former law partners involved and a trustee. The question is, did they do something underhanded? That's what needs to be addressed. Under the scenario you present above it wouldn't seem probable. But it could be possible. Now, if the accused did do something underhanded was it limited to Ray Ferry and a power grab for Famous Monsters? Or is it a pattern of behavior that has been practiced with some frequency? Ray Ferry could be the tip of the iceberg. You don't believe anybody could be capable of this, Tom, because I believe you are a decent, good, and reasonable person. You are, indeed, a rare commodity. Just because you would never consider doing anything like this doesn't mean that nobody would. Remember, a big part of the Salem Witch Trials was a land grab for desirable real estate. I don't think the assumption should be made that Ray is right or wrong. I don't think that the assumption should be made that the court officials are good or bad. What I do think is that the truth about all of this should be excavated. The fact that Famous Monsters of Filmland is involved is, in my mind, of little significance. The question at this point should be, in light of what Ray has claimed, is there something underhanded going on in the courts of Southern California. If there isn't Ray and his claims need to be silenced. If there is it needs to be stopped. If a corrupt system would take advantage of Ray Ferry it would take advantage of Mother Theresa. Would you want to live under a system like that? After all, look at what they did to Joan of Arc---and she was a Saint! |
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(06/25/08 5:40 PM) |
To the Fans,
First of all, I think you are right in honoring Ray Ferry for his love of FM. I think Ray is a talented story teller. I believe his version of the history is a very imaginative story. I remember associates who would get speeding tickets and would start conjuring up stories on how to fight the ticket. Every one of those people were sure that the Cop was out to get them. The reality is the traffic officer was doing his job...that's all. I can tell you under oath (and it seems I will have to in the coming months) I had no prior relationship to Ackerman, Warren, Gottlib (the trustee), Judge Greenwald, Judge Mund, Daniel Lev (Attorney to the Trustee), Connie Beane, Raymond Ferry, Al Queda, Quesdilla or Drug Cartels that Ray is referring to prior to the bankruptcy purchase. I cannot comment on the Trustees and Judges and other players of the FM history but the only common antagonism seems to be the Ferry camp. If I had ties to any powerful people in the inner circle, they sure aren't letting me in on anything or even throwing me crumbs. I've had to work for everything I've created and it is hard. This I can sympathize with Mr. Ferry and Ms. Beane. But working hard is not the only formula to success. Working right is as important if not more. I too am sad that it had to come to this. But again, please remember, the old quote, "If it quacks like a duck, it walks like a duck...it must be a duck". I have no evidence to believe that there is any corruption in the Federal court system when it applies to FM. Phil Kim
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(06/25/08 5:44 PM) |
TomWeaver999 wrote: Arnold Schwarzeneggar IS Dr. Acula! Coming soon, to a theater near you! |
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(06/25/08 6:04 PM) |
Phil, I wasn't in any way suggesting that you were in collusion with anybody. I was just pointing out that corruption does exist and regardless of which
camp you are in as far as Famous Monsters is concerned is insignificant. I don't know enough about any of it to be in either camp. But as David said it in
his interview, serious accusations have been made against public officials. I think those accusations should be looked into and either be substantiated or put
to rest. That's the big story here.
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(06/25/08 6:22 PM) Burgomaster |
I said in my interview, or tried to say if it came out garbled, that he was making 'serious allegations' that he needs to back up with facts. He said
he did not feel free to offer the facts publically at this time or in this arena. So that's where that stands.
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(06/25/08 6:26 PM) |
captainmarvel1957 wrote: I believe those accusations should be looked into as well.
I bid you Welcome!!!
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(06/25/08 6:47 PM) |
You weren't garbled at all, David. I was just paraphrasing from memory. You were concise and, I think, proved once and for all and on the record that you
are an objective newsman. What are the odds of you trying to track down the trustee or judges for an interview? I wonder if either of them would talk to you?
Now, that would be interesting. It would be worth a call or two. Even a "no comment" would be interesting to hear. As I read through this thread that is what has piqued my curiosity. Maybe we're observing first hand the Monster Kid equivalent of the filabuster scene from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. |
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(06/25/08 6:53 PM) |
<< the Monster Kid equivalent of the filabuster scene from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. >>
That would be "the gilamunster scene." |
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(06/25/08 7:10 PM) |
That would be "the gilamunster scene."That's why he's the life of the party! |
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