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capmonte |
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JAWS is a movie I really enjoy showing to my movie class. The head popping out the bottom of the boat scene always gets at least half the class...it's refreshing to see a bunch of teenagers jump thanks to a 30+ year old movie.
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Rakshasa |
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Evryone jumped at the "Ben Gardner's head popping out of the boat's hull" scene last weekend at the theater. It was great!
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RatsinFleight |
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I never got to see Jaws in the theater. I did, however, see Jaws II upon its original release and, although it may not have been as Great a film as Jaws was (and still is), it still managed to scare the bejeezus out of me at the time, and made me a'scared to "Go near the water" for a long time afterward.
![]() That T-Shirt should read "Don't Go Near the Water", no? Prob'ly couldn't get the rights to that classic saying... Actually as a kid I always seemed to catch the sequel(s) before the original. I saw Jaws II in the theater before seeing Jaws on TV. Same goes for Rocky II vs Rocky and Empire Strikes Back vs Star Wars. Of course, I saw A&C Meet Frank, the Invisible Man, the Mummy, and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde before seeing any of the original Universals (they never played back then). Saw Young Frankenstein at the theatre in 1976/77 (at the age of 6 or 7). I thought it was the coolest thing ever, comedy or not! "Wait Til You See The Full Effect With The Hump!"
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Count Karnstein |
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I've been out of touch for awhile here. We had a death it the family, and it just wiped me out. Right now I'm just posting to get my mind off things for a few minutes, so don't mind me if I sound dry and not myself.
Drmedula wrote: Quote: If it had fantasy elements, I'd actually call it fantasy. Fantasy to me is different from horror. Quote: I could argue that the Egyptian Elixir of Life was an herbal or alchemical substance, so it would be scientific, ie medicinal. That is, it would fall under the science of medicine and health. So still sci-fi. With all those interesting gadgets and a man who embalms and dis-embalms himself, I could see calling it sci-fi. However, I place both movies in horror because the focus is not really on the science and does not contain robots (outside of the Clockwork Musicians), space ships, or aliens. It's more about a man who is raised from the dead and commits horrendous acts of revenge. Some of those odd British movies are hard to classify, I admit. Joe wrote: Quote: Ooops! Typo. I think that's sorta obvious though, since I repeated myself. It was supposed to say (and I edited it) that if the "monster" is an alien or scientific creation, then it's sci-fi, not horror. If the monster is supernatural, then it's horror. Quote: Exactly my point. That's why I use a more consistent, logical, and simple system. It avoids absurdities. Quote: I classify it as comedy since it's clearly meant to evoke laughter. Almost every scene is funny. Rakshasa wrote: Quote: Indeed! When I went to see it, nobody would let their feet hang down on the floor! After the first or second shark attack, everyone had their feet up on the seats! :-) Rastinfleight wrote: Quote: The summer we saw the original Jaws, the local public high school had started a program where their olympic sized swimming pool was open for public swimming. Some kid yelled "shark!" and there was an insane panic. Kids screaming, adults jumping out the water, people getting dunked by others in a stampede. The kid who shouted "shark" got in all kinds of trouble and was permanently banned, and people were told that anyone who yelled shark in the future would be prosecuted for malicious mischief or some such offense and banned. Yes, people really were THAT affected by the movie! Ah, I remember that day well! If anyone here is from Chicago and remembers Curie High School, that's where it happened. |
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Koukol 5 |
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Sorry to hear the news Count.
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Rakshasa |
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Yeah Count, sorry for your loss. That's always rough.
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RatsinFleight |
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Comte, nous vous offront nos sympathies les plus sincères.
"Wait Til You See The Full Effect With The Hump!"
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Count Karnstein |
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Thanks everyone. It's nice to have a group of fellow monster fans to turn to for cheering up. :-)
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ROKY STRIPES |
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I'd say more the beginning of a new kinda splatter!!
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Jaw is my all time favorite movie. I would say yes it is a horror movie, but to the highest standerds of great movie making. The characters are well devolped
and likeable, the acting is supurb and the dialog matters. Not too mention The camera work is excellent, the score is one of the all time greats and one liners
are classic. Another thing that is also notable is the lighting, it is natural much like all movies of that generation. Apart from everything else I have
mentioned they just don't shoot movies like that anymore. The dark scenes were actually really dark. Now they make fake dark scense, so you still can see
eveything. I like those dark shadows. Jaws is the perfect movie. That movie scared mor epeole than any other movie there is no doubt.
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Here's my working definition of horror:
Intent: This is the first test. The intent of a horror film is to horrify its audience. If a film fails this test it is certainly not a horror film. Conventions: Faithful to the Hollywood continuity style, horror is tightly structured and paced to ensure specific responses from the audience at specific times. Open-ended audience response is hardly ever intended. Few films fail this test as that would undermine the first test. Consequently, a manipulative, Hitchcockian style of shooting and editing is preferred to, say, the deep focus realism of Welles' Citizen Kane which employs the more speculative style of long takes and long shots. Theme: Unconscious vs. conscious. Horror deals with the hidden mind over the waking mind, with primal desires and fantasies over logic and reason. This is where horror departs from science fiction, which is thematically geared towards an intellectual openness and the adventurous spirit of progress. The fundamental principle of horror is that people are afraid of the unknown for good reason and should not explore too far outside of the tribal circle. This was Lovecraft's view. Knowledge is dangerous; ignorance is bliss. This explains the multitude of unintelligible monsters in the genre such as Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Leatherface, The Thing, the zombie, and the werewolf, for example. These monsters are atavistic expressions of unrecognized, deep-seated mental processes that are better left alone. Tradition vs. progress. This follows with horror's union with the unconscious. Since horror is predicated upon people's fatal desire to explore the unknown, genre work tends to be largely reactionary. Dracula provides a classic example. When Van Helsing realizes that he cannot combat the monster with science (the blood transfusion), he resorts successfully to traditional magical rites and charms. A good way to apply this test is to determine if the scientist in a film (should there be one) is right or wrong in wanting to know more about the monster or thing. Horror examples of the scientist include Dr. Frankenstein, Professor Knowby of Evil Dead, Herbert West, and Ash of Alien. Abnormal vs. normal. Either the audience or some character(s) in the genre film will make the journey to the other side, and, usually both character and audience make the journey. By this, I mean a transition from a state of relative normality to a state of abnormality. I cannot think of any genre film that is completely in the norm. Horror films seem to deal exclusively with abnormality of some kind. Jaws is definitely horror. It satisfies every criterion of the above model. Hooper was the closest character to a scientist and even he wanted to kill that sea demon.
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06/30/08 8:31 PM.
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ken10 |
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It's a MONSTER movie.
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bipolarber |
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I agree with ken10. JAWS plays according to the monster movie rules, right down the line...
The structure is linear, as most monster films are (compare to THEM or TARANTULA) The plot concerns a group of characters who must confront both the creature, and their own fears in order to conquer the beast. For suspense reasons, the monster (in this case an abnormally large shark) is almost never seen. The general point to the whole film seems to be: who will survive this battle with a "dragon?" The creature seems to be smarter and more malicious than a natural shark would be... i.e. it's a calculating, "evil" creature, not just a dumb animal. In the final confrontation, the main character is caught in a last ditch effort to kill the creature before he himself is eaten. |
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You got it, biploarber. That shark might as well be a giant, radioactive insect. In addition to your points: the military guy eventually destroys the monster
with an unusual weapon, the scientist is well meaning, but largely ineffectual, and the brash townie gets eaten. Monster movie.
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