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 Cadaverino |
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(05/18/08 10:54 AM) |
The first movie Garson Kanin directed, A Man to Remember (1938), used to be lost
until a print was found, with Dutch subtitles, in the Netherlands.
What is the last Hollywood feature that is now considered lost? By Hollywood feature, I mean an American feature shot on 35mm for commercial release.
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(05/18/08 1:10 PM) |
I don't know what the last one is, but putting the keywords "lost films" into Google yields some pretty interesting reading. Wikipedia has a page
on them:
Lost films on Wikipedia "Photographers deal in things which are continually vanishing and when they have vanished there is no contrivance on earth which can make them come back again." -Henri Cartier Bresson
Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.
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Cadaverino |
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(05/18/08 1:35 PM) |
Not only am I familiar with that Wikipedia article, I'm one of its editors - and that's why I'm asking for the last missing Hollywood feature.
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(05/18/08 2:47 PM) |
No wonder it was so interesting!
Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.
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(05/18/08 3:27 PM) |
IMDb has K. Gordon Murray's MOTHER GOOSE'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, ostensibly released theatrically in 1970, as a lost film. They also have a few 1980s titles,
but any theatrical history seems questionable at best, not documented; and one is listed as being available on DVD from, I think, Something Weird, which hardly
makes it lost. I think you could probably find tons of stuff in the 70s, porn or gore, with no future (then) on TV and no such thing as video for a followup
release at the time, indie made and indie distributed, which have been long gone.
BTW, Cadav, I notice Eisenstein's BEZHIN MEADOW on your Wikipedia lost list. Wasn't this film actually burned, prints and negatives, by Soviet officials, with only a few scraps and some stills being taken into hiding (and later assembled and released after Stalin's death), before it was even completed, much less screened theatrically anywhere? If that's right, I think it's a wee bit more than just lost...
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(05/18/08 5:09 PM) |
Not a Hollywood movie, but one that did have theatrical bookings: THE WEIRD ONES (1962), is completely lost. Pat Boyette, the director,
told me that the negative and the few struck prints were stored in the same warehouse, which burned to the ground. Here's the IMDb page: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0056684/
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(05/18/08 8:50 PM) |
The Hammer film THE UGLY DUCKLING (1959) is believed lost, at least the last time I heard.
I've heard that several of the Cinerama travelogues (e.g., SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD, CINERAMA SOUTH SEAS ADVENTURE) have original camera negatives in dire shape and a few composite, no-longer-projectionable prints. If they're not lost already they may be within a a few years.
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(05/18/08 9:25 PM) |
I beleive the Suset Carson western The Marshal of Windy
Hollow from the 70's is missing, but I think it was shot in 16mm.
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(05/19/08 12:48 AM) |
THE UGLY DUCKLING was discussed around here a while back (I remember because it's right at the top of my 'wanna-see' list). Supposedly there's
a print at the Library of Congress, although the listing someone offered during that earlier discussion said it was '2 reels' and I'm pretty sure
DUCKLING was feature length. In other words...I dunno.
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(05/19/08 12:59 PM) |
THE UGLY DUCKLING does exist. The print at LOC is 16mm, if I recall, in which case, two reels makes a lot of sense.
The bigger issue, as was pointed out, is not so much that there are films that are lost all together, but there are films where the elements are still being destroyed by the studio, either deliberately or not, to this day. There are some well known films, even some well known horror/sci-fi films we all love, that in the past year have gone kaput because the studios are not paying attention to what they are doing. I'm not going to name any names publicly, or say exactly what is wrong, but I find it Incredible that the number of original elements in studio hands are Shrinking every day. Man, that irks me! Certain camera negatives are so worn out from use that they are comprised of almost all grainy dupe footage. And in some cases, the studios have lost their soundtrack negs to certain films. But some studios know when they need help and ask outsiders like me and others who might hold materials they can use nicely and I for one always try to lend a hand when I can.
J. Theakston
The Central Theater, Passaic, NJ
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(05/19/08 4:59 PM) |
I remember seeing a film called the Lolipop Cover where a disillusined ex boxer gores home to attend the funeral of his ex wife. He sits beside a young girl
whose as optomistic as he is depressed.
When her version of events comes up its in a garish three strip tecnicolor , his is in a very black and white almost sepitone shade. Is this film lost or just put aside due to lack on interest as I would like to see that agin , it impressed me a lot when I saw it at the Strand. |
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(05/19/08 9:09 PM) |
THE UGLY DUCKLING turned up at a U.K. Hammer retrospective within the past 10 years.
Jon Mirsalis put out a list of lost talkies (pre-1945) on the alt.movies.silent group a few years ago. There were a few American-made genre titles, but they were all from Poverty Row... really obscure low-budget stuff like MR. WASHINGTON GOES TO TOWN and HELLIVISION. |
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(05/20/08 5:12 PM) |
The 1937 British movie DARBY AND JOAN, directed by Syd Courtenay for Rock Studios and released by MGM-British in February, 1937, is apparently lost. Tod
Slaughter was in the cast, as "Mr. Templeton". I tried to find this movie for years, writing to a considerable number of Film Archives, the British
Film Institute, etc.
More incredibly, I never saw a single still, or a movie ad, or a pressbook, poster, etc. of this movie. |
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(05/20/08 7:09 PM) |
Many of Andy Milligan's films, particularly the earlier ones, are now considered lost.
Here are the ones listed on Wikipedia as lost: 1971 - Dragula (lost) 1969 - Nightbirds (lost) 1968 - Gutter Trash (lost) 1968 - The Filthy Five (lost) 1968 - Tricks of the Trade (lost) 1968 - Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me! (lost) 1967 - Depraved! (lost) 1967 - Liz (lost) 1967 - The Degenerates (lost) 1967 - Compass Rose (lost) 1964 - The Naked Witch (lost) The story goes that Lew Mishkin, the son of Milligan's producer William Mishkin, got tired of paying the storage fees for the films and simply had 'em tossed out. Rather this is a bad thing or not is up for debate . . .
If you're an Andy Milligan fan there's no hope for you.
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(05/20/08 7:13 PM) |
COMPASS ROSE is not lost, though it's quite possible that it no longer exists on celluloid.
Read Video WatchBlog at www.videowatchdog.com!
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Cadaverino |
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(05/20/08 7:17 PM) |
Wow! You can count on CHFB members to know their stuff. Thanks for all the information.
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(05/20/08 8:13 PM) |
I just wonder how many films are lost each year because of indifference.
Because the people who own the rights cant see a way to make a profit I bet that theres a lot of good movies and old TV shows that will never again see the light of day. |
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(05/20/08 11:19 PM) |
Those stories of old films and videotapes being torched, recycled, or dumped into harbors as though they were worthless just make me cringe. Not to mention
private collectors who hoard the last remaining copies of films thought to be lost. On the other hand, I salute all those who work tirelessly to rediscover and
preserve whatever films they can.
Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.
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(05/21/08 8:48 AM) |
NIGHTBIRDS may have been found recently. There was a discussion about a newly discovered print on another web forum.
"Of Course. Plan Nine."
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(05/21/08 9:43 AM) |
Tim Lucas VW wrote: Was there a video tape copy made at some point . . . or a pop-up book maybe? NIGHTBIRDS may have been found recently. There was a discussion about a newly discovered print on another web forum.I'd wondered about this one being truly 'lost'. In discussing the film in his Milligan bio Jimmy McDonough seems to have recently seen a print. THE NAKED WITCH is the one I'm hopeful will eventually turn up, since it is a horror genre film - and stars the incomparable Maggie Rogers.
If you're an Andy Milligan fan there's no hope for you.
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Tim Lucas VW |
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(05/21/08 9:20 PM) |
Friend of Daniel wrote: I have a copy of COMPASS ROSE that I was given to me as a gift by Hal Borske. I wrote about it in detail in my series of Milligan articles for VIDEO
WATCHDOG.
Read Video WatchBlog at www.videowatchdog.com!
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