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ArmandV101 |
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When I first heard of this, my first thought was, "Here we go again!" I guess Bane's breaking of Batman's back wasn't sufficient?
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chris schillig |
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Regarding the Barry Allen Flash, I wonder if DC didn't wait too long to bring him back? There are windows of opportunity for these things, and since Wally
West has now been the Flash for 25 years or so, and since the stories featuring the WW Flash have generally been so good, all but the most diehard fans accept
him as such. I wonder how many (relatively) younger fans are even asking, "Barry Who?"
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Doctor Lamont |
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Regarding the Barry Allen Flash, I wonder if DC didn't wait too long to bring him back? There are windows of opportunity for these things, and since Wally West has now been the Flash for 25 years or so, and since the stories featuring the WW Flash have generally been so good, all but the most diehard fans accept him as such. I wonder how many (relatively) younger fans are even asking, "Barry Who?"True, and fans of the West version may also see this as a in a negative light. The Wally West version has been "the" Flash for a longer period of time than either of his predesessors in terms of the number of years his adventures were published, but, because 25 years couldn't have passed in context of the comics, he will end up being seen as only being the Flash for a brief time in DC continuity. |
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blackbiped |
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captainmarvel1957 wrote:At least in the old days they'd just call them "imaginary stories" and be done with it. I was surprised when the media made a big deal out of Captain America's "death" a while back. Didn't the Superman thing teach them anything?
Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.
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Jeff Mclachlan |
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DC's been throwing different versions of The Flash at walls to see if they'll stick for the past few years now, apparently under the assumption that
every major crossover they do has to have him die and be replaced by someone else. A couple of years ago the big idea was to kill off Wally West and replace
him with an acceleratedly-aged version of teenage hero Impulse (who is actually Barry Allen's son or nephew or something from the future. Yeah, I know--DC
really likes to keep things simple).
Then, when that didn't go over so well, they killed him off and brought in fan favorite writer Mark Waid to bring back Wally West as The Flash. Which, he did. Unfortunately he also saddled the character with a couple of annoying super powered children right out of The Incredibles. Shockingly, the version of The Flash with obnoxious children didn't turn out to be popular either, so I'm guessing at this point DC just said "Screw it! Bring back Barry Allen and be done with it." Outside of Jonah Hex and The Spirit, DC's superhero universe is a real mess these days. DC should just hire Bruce Timm to run their publishing division, since he's pretty much the only person to ever make that world seem like it made sense. |
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sirharryflashman |
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Hell, Jay Garrick is still my idea of The Flash....although I have to say it is good to know that Barry Allen is coming back.
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Wich2 |
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"A couple of years ago the big idea was to kill off Wally West and replace him with an acceleratedly-aged version"
Well, THAT'S a nice rip-off of Wally Wood's THUNDER AGENT, "Lightning"! The mortality element there really creeped me out when I was a kid... Best, -Craig W. |
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Jeff Mclachlan |
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sirharryflashman wrote: Knowing DC, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jay Garrick back as The Flash this time next year. Actually, I don't want to sound too negative here. I think bringing back Barry Allen is a good idea, if only because his civilian identity as a police scientist is a really good story generator (as the 90's tv series demonstrated). The one problem with the Wally West Flash is that he never really had a job outside of being a superhero, interesting or otherwise.
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Wich2 |
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Okay, fine, Arthur Conan Doyle threw Sherlock over the brink... and then brought him back...
But only once. And only that one character in his stable! Not MOST of them! And REPEATEDLY! Or making the others temporarily INSANE! Or making a HERO a VILLIAN! Or a VILLIAN a HERO! Or a MAN a WOMAN! Or a WOMAN a MAN! ... holy hell in a handbasket what an ongoing load of shiite... |
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drmedula |
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DC's greatest liability when it comes to making these big changes (besides the fact that many of them are poorly concieved, of course) is that Time/Warner
won't let them do anything really significant (remember the corporate edict telling them to bring back Robin after he was "voted to death" by the
fans). (Ironically, Warner's FILM division is allowed to abuse the characters anyway they want, even though that reaches a much bigger audience- presumably
because bombs like that CATWOMAN movie will be forgetten as soon as the next filmmaker remakes the character). It's common knowledge that the whole DEATH
OF SUPERMAN thing was just a sop to the producers of LOIS AND CLARK, who wanted the comics to hold off for a couple of years on the then-upcoming marriage of
the characters. I have less trouble with these "Big Changes" then with the stupid overhyping of things that are clearly temporary-and everybody knows
it. (I suspect the REAL reason for Barry Allen's return is to try and lend significance to upcoming events by bringing back a character who was (by comic
book standards) "REALLY" DEAD... and he will grant these events even MORE significance by dying AGAIN. ( As for "permanently" replacing
Bruce wayne as Batman- oh, come on, Warners would NEVER allow one of their few household name characters to change like that, especially while he's got a
film franchise going. BUT... a good writer could generate a few interesting stories by playing with the idea for a while- and if everyone accepts THAT going
in, it might be worth trying out. That said... don't get your hopes up; I'm sure SOMEBODY at DC will screw up at least PART of these storylines...)
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DonM435 |
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There was one theory that Warner/DC is tired of paying royalties to the heirs of Siegel/Shuster and Bob Kane, and so might want to get rid of the Clark Kent Superman and Bruce Wayne Batman, establishing a new Superman and Batman that they will own outright. |
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captainmarvel1957 |
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I would think that as a derivitive of the original that the case could be made that the heirs would still be due their royalties. Try creating and marketing a
grandson of Tarzan and see what happens.
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yendor1152 |
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For DC's epic mismanagement of a classic Silver Age character, one need look no further than Hal Jordan.
Rod |
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Wich2 |
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"establishing a new Superman and Batman that they will own outright"
OH yes! Such characters could REALLY supplant the originals! Geez - give the estates a fair slice of pie & GET OVER IT. -Craig W. |
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taraco |
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Even Bucky lives...'death' in comic books is totally meaningless these days.
Even sadder is the total chaos DC has made of some of it's major characters: 1) Hal Jordan. Yes, he's back, but his origin is getting yet another tweaking as we speak. 2) Barry Allen. His return hasn't happened quite yet -- the teaser at the end of DC Universe #0 only had some voice balloons. But how will he reconcile with the twin speedsters he had in the future with Iris before she died, etc., etc. 3) Wonder Woman. She's been born and reborn so many times the clay mold must have been ruined by now. 4) Wonder Girl/Donna Troy/Troia: A total mess. At least four or five different versions of who these women are or were, totally irreconcilable. 5) Hawkman and Hawkwoman: Another nightmare. The Thanagar backstory has been just about jettisoned in favor of Nth metal nonsense. They are all Hawk characters from all times. Actually, they are no one anyone knows now. (Don't even mention Kendra!) 6) Who was in the original JLA: Wonder Woman? Black Canary? Yikes! 7) The Atom. Ray Palmer was fine with me. He's back, but the new Atom is an Asian teen, which is cool except what does Ray Palmer do now? And Jean Loring is the new Eclipso. Or was until a few months ago. 9) Space Cabbie. well, at least he's still flying! david 'You must have X-Ray vision. We're planning just such a story in next month's Action Comics!' |
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chris schillig |
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I wonder why there is such a compulsion on DC's part to constantly revisit these heroes' origins and tweak ... and tweak ... and tweak. Just put
'em in costume and send them out to fight crime.
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yendor1152 |
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Isn't Jason Todd still dead? And Kraven, the Hunter?
Surely, Aunt Harriet must've passed away by now. Then again, isn't Aunt May still with us? She was ancient in 1963! What about the three super villains Superman executed? I think they were based on the three from Superman II. Aren't they still dead? Or did it never happen? Is the original Supergirl still dead? I know there've been other versions--but I haven't read Superman in years, and the last I knew, she was a protoplasmic blob of some sort. Whatever happened to Morgan Edge? Why doesn't DC just launch a series of books under the "Silver Age" umbrella? They could all take place between 1956 and 1969 and utilize original origins and such. Wouldn't that be great? What happened to Pieface? Does Speedy still exist? Whatever happened to the Mad Mod? Any updates on Sugar and Spike? Has Captain Marvel ("Shazam") turned evil yet? Is the Blue Beetle comic still running? Isn't Gwen Stacy still dead? Does the Elongated Man's nose still twitch when there's evil afoot? Is Steve Ditko still working? Just how many ghosts were there of Doctor Graves? Rod |
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evilskippy |
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To answer some of your questions:
Jason Todd: Not any more. He got better and is now Red Robin on some other earth. Aunt Harriet & Aunt May: The two have never been photographed together. Hmm. May is still around. Silver Age Books:I'd buy them in a NYC minute. Pieface:That is one name you won't be seeing soon. Not PC. Speedy:The original became Red Arrow with the JLA and may now be in the Titans. It is rawther screwy. The Mad Mod:: Isn't he here? Elongated Man: He's sort of dead so not much is twitching.
"Some days its not worth the effort of chewing through the restraints".
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Hawkboy |
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I find it very telling and a little funny that most of the people here belly aching about the state of comics haven't picked up a comic in decades.
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ArmandV101 |
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Hawkboy wrote: How do you know if they happen to be at a newsstand or Barnes & Noble and see a comic book rack and pick up a few to peruse? I do on occasion and I really don't like what I've seen. |
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