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Eddie the Head	Re: Creature from the Black Lagoon Remake	#41	[-]
(05/05/08 3:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	So they are finally trying to make it again after John Carpenter couldn't get it made. I also know that it'll be a disaster. Man, Dr. Gerard must've been brewing some of that Jekyll and Hyde joy juice in here.
taraco	Combined Lagoon threads...	#42	[-]
(05/05/08 8:46 PM) Burgomaster Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I've combined the Crature remake thread in Coming Soon with the similar thread that had been in the 50s folder. If you're wondering. Da-da dahhhh....
skelton knaggs		#43	[-]
(05/05/08 9:59 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	taraco wrote: I've combined the Crature remake thread in Coming Soon with the similar thread that had been in the 50s folder. If you're wondering. Da-da dahhhh.... A Crature remake will be a welcome diversion.
Joe Karlosi		#44	[-]
(05/06/08 8:51 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	oldmanster wrote: My remarks re Van Helsing may have been a slight overstatement. ... Reed re: Van Helsing -- I hope not, Reed. I actually appreciated that there is SOMETHING from today that you don't embrace out of principal or something. Because for a while I honestly thought you liked anything and everything that wasn't old. ---------------------- "It's MORE ... than a hobby!"
Professor Von X		#45	[-]
(05/06/08 10:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	>Quote: Make it a period film; Spanish explorers in the 1600s... Excellent idea! Yes, it IS an excellent idea. But what the movie will turn out to be about will most likely be a bunch of rich, spoiled teenagers on dad's luxury yacht getting picked off one by one while having sex. Professor Von X
Cinema Bill		#46	[-]
(05/06/08 1:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Professor Von X wrote: >Quote: ...most likely be a bunch of rich, spoiled teenagers on dad's luxury yacht getting picked off one by one while having sex. And Starring P-Diddy as "The Creech"...
oldmanster		#47	[-]
(05/06/08 6:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	re: Van Helsing -- I hope not, Reed. I actually appreciated that there is SOMETHING from today that you don't embrace out of principal or something. Because for a while I honestly thought you liked anything and everything that wasn't old. Gimme an f---ing break. I'll assume you meant to put a smiley behind that, 'cause if you didn't, it's one of the most ignorant posts you've ever made. Apparently you've never read anything in the Poverty Row folder, or the serials folder, or the Foreign folder. I like a lot of stuff, regardless of age or sub-genre type. A film has to have little to no redeeming value in order to get a completely negative rating from me. I don't automatically knee-jerk a negative response based on who a director is, or whether or not CGI is being used. There are certain sub-genres I don't care for -- torture porn, for example -- but have acknowledged the good things about them if I see them (such as Wolf Creek, or Hills Have Eyes remake). As far as Van Helsing is concerned, I thought the film had some good moments, but the bad moments carried the most weight and therefore reduced the film to one of the lesser offerings in recent times. But... it still had some good moments. The Mummy was a joy from front to back. The Mummy 2 wasn't as good. Scorpion King was pretty bad. I have high hopes for Mummy Three because I like Brendan Fraser and I hold no ongoing grudge against Stephen Sommers. Are we clear on things now? ... Reed
Joe Karlosi		#48	[-]
(05/06/08 6:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	oldmanster wrote: re: Van Helsing -- I hope not, Reed. I actually appreciated that there is SOMETHING from today that you don't embrace out of principal or something. Because for a while I honestly thought you liked anything and everything that wasn't old. Gimme an f---ing break. I'll assume you meant to put a smiley behind that, 'cause if you didn't, it's one of the most ignorant posts you've ever made. Apparently you've never read anything in the Poverty Row folder, or the serials folder, or the Foreign folder. I like a lot of stuff, regardless of age or sub-genre type. A film has to have little to no redeeming value in order to get a completely negative rating from me. I don't automatically knee-jerk a negative response based on who a director is, or whether or not CGI is being used. There are certain sub-genres I don't care for -- torture porn, for example -- but have acknowledged the good things about them if I see them (such as Wolf Creek, or Hills Have Eyes remake). As far as Van Helsing is concerned, I thought the film had some good moments, but the bad moments carried the most weight and therefore reduced the film to one of the lesser offerings in recent times. But... it still had some good moments. The Mummy was a joy from front to back. The Mummy 2 wasn't as good. Scorpion King was pretty bad. I have high hopes for Mummy Three because I like Brendan Fraser and I hold no ongoing grudge against Stephen Sommers. Are we clear on things now? ... Reed Very much so. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I know you have gone on record as disliking older films, but was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that you pretty much welcomed everything new and liked it all, and did not appreciate any negative feedback toward recent cinema. ---------------------- "It's MORE ... than a hobby!"
Hollywood Gothique		#49	[-]
(05/06/08 7:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Is this idea just doomed? I mean, yes, we assume that Hollywood will mess it up, but just for argument's sake, even if some smart people were involved, is it still a hopeless project? THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON is dated and naive, but that naivete, I think, helpes protect it from the potential camp value of having a man-in-a-suit lusting after Julia Adams. Post-HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP, I don't think you can get away with having the characters overlook this as if it were too embarrassing to mention in polite company. But to take the bull by the horns would be even worse. I asked Carpenter about this when he was considering his remake. He said: The conflict is not necessarily having him kidnap the girl, as in the original; it's the creation scientists who want to get rid of him because he's proof of evolution. Obviously, he was hoping to downplay that element, but it sounds as if the current version plays it up.Says Eisner: he's still going to have a misguided means of expressing his interests in a woman... In today's climate, the potential for camp seems enormous.
oldmanster		#50	[-]
(05/06/08 8:02 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I know you have gone on record as disliking older films, I would NEVER make a blanket statement like that. Wherever did I say that? What was the context? I couldn't have been drunk because I don't drink. I couldn't have been high because my respiratory issues prevent any kind of inhalation (except medicine and occasionally, air). but was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that you pretty much welcomed everything new and liked it all, and did not appreciate any negative feedback toward recent cinema. Once again, I've made my arguments based on negativity that's based on strict adherence to a hallowed memory without seeing the newer version, or negativity based on silliness such as the discussion in the Hulk and Batman threads. I don't condemn CGI out of hand like some people do, but I can be just as frustrated at poor or uncreative use of the technology. I don't have a knee-jerk negative reaction to remakes. I don't have a problem with Angie Dickinson's "wrinkly butt" (wish I could see more of it). As far as reacting to a film before even the trailers show up, well, I do have a problem with what Carpenter said (as quoted by Hollywood Gothique, below). I asked Carpenter about this when he was considering his remake. He said: The conflict is not necessarily having him kidnap the girl, as in the original; it's the creation scientists who want to get rid of him because he's proof of evolution. I really don't care for this rationale at all. It smacks of pandering to a topical controversy just to drum up business, and unfortunately helps to justify the anti-remake members here on the board. Why be creative when you can suck up a polarizing issue and use it in a monster movie? If anything would prevent me from going to see this film, it will be news that this particular plot mover remains a driving force. ... Reed
Red Gargon		#51	[-]
(05/06/08 9:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Although I made some snarky comments, I've got nothing against a remake if it actually comes out well. Who doesn't want a good movie to exist? The problem is, these things already are in many ways predestined to succeed commercially (or at least make bucks on name recognition), but fail artistically. The story Tom posted just has all the warning signs - emphasis on the location and effects and "modernizing" - it just seems disingenuous and a textbook case of a filmmaker not having a good concept other than "I'm gonna make this more 'badass' than the original". It just seems so much more sensible to do an "original" film, you aren't fighting this uphill battle all the time with comparisons to something beloved by half your audience. Remakes are almost a guaranteed no-win scenario. I can count on one hand those that I actually like. For example, ANACONDA is a stupid but entertaining popcorn movie that has a lot of CREATURE-inspired elements, but I can enjoy that (including the snake barfing up Jon Voigt ) on its own terms ... if it had been called CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON '97, I'd be hating it. Rehashing a title with name recognition might get a few more butts into theater seats but it almost never does much for the enjoyability of the film. Stop the madness! Last Edited By: Red Gargon 05/06/08 9:51 PM. Edited 1 times.
Wich2		#52	[-]
(05/06/08 10:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	"I'm gonna make this more 'badass' than the original". And hasn't THAT just done wonders for comics, pop music, tv, movies... I'm with Red - "original" is always welcome! But the "badass/Extreme!" -ification of everything is so passe at this point, it's the farthest thing from original. Best, -Craig W.
torch85		#53	[-]
(05/07/08 3:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	i think it may be good---i the design is fatefl to th orginal like the wolf man--if the scrip is ood---acting--ll dasmn man i'm supporting the remakes cus theyre a good chance to get quals---also infulancing new generations of monsterkids.
torch85		#54	[-]
(05/07/08 3:29 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	i think it may be good---i the design is fatefl to th orginal like the wolf man--if the scrip is ood---acting--ll dasmn man i'm supporting the remakes cus theyre a good chance to get quals---also infulancing new generations of monsterkids.
Joe Karlosi		#55	[-]
(05/07/08 6:47 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	oldmanster wrote: I know you have gone on record as disliking older films, I would NEVER make a blanket statement like that. Wherever did I say that? What was the context? I couldn't have been drunk because I don't drink. I couldn't have been high because my respiratory issues prevent any kind of inhalation (except medicine and occasionally, air). Sorry again - I should have clarified: "SOME" older films. It's not always easy to make oneself clear in writing. I didn't mean it as a blanket statement that you disliked "all older movies"... I meant that you're comfortable with coming down on some older films when you need to.... Once again, I've made my arguments based on negativity that's based on strict adherence to a hallowed memory without seeing the newer version, or negativity based on silliness such as the discussion in the Hulk and Batman threads. I don't condemn CGI out of hand like some people do, but I can be just as frustrated at poor or uncreative use of the technology. I don't have a knee-jerk negative reaction to remakes. Okay, I hear ya. But I'm saying that others should be able to have their reaction to remakes as well. ---------------------- "It's MORE ... than a hobby!" Last Edited By: Joe Karlosi 05/07/08 6:49 AM. Edited 1 times.

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