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John Van Helsing wrote:Yep she sure was. Apparently Andrea from The Walking Dead seasons 1-3 was her granddaughter!
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drlouisjudd wrote:I doubt this will be a popular post, but I'd like to defend the existence of a lesbian subtext in DRACULA'S DAUGHTER.
Subtexts seem to me different from the text in that they require one to read something extra, something unstated but hinted at within the text or something buried beneath the text itself and therefore apt to be missed. This activity can be especially useful when considering artistic expressions created within constraints of censorship. Seeing one or not seeing one is not the basis for feeling particularly good or bad about yourself. It's just a potential part of the fun of enjoying oneself while consuming texts.
The idea here isn't to suggest that Zaleska's interests aren't vampiric by the scene with Lili's close. That's the text. But at the moment that Lili is "picked up" and brought to Zaleska's studio, the countess is engaged in her attempt to stop being a vampire. She wants to paint and sends out Sandor to find a subject. The moment does not begin as an act of pure vampirism by Zaleska, she is testing her resolve in conformation with the advice of her psychiatrist. The filmmakers were strongly cautioned by the Code folks over what followed that pick up to avoid any untoward references here, so in reading the script, somebody saw the potential already for a code violation through introducing potential lesbiana. A Bohemian artist bringing a desperate and pretty young woman to her apartment, asking her to partially disrobe, and then looking at her "so strangely" seems enough textual evidence to allow for consideration of a subtext here. Sure the subtext isn't going to get in the way of the text, but a viewer who wants to play along could see this as the gateway to a sexual encounter/assault. That's not at all a nice way to introduce lesbiana into a feature film, but it was an available way. And for people whose identities were closeted by a society inclined to oppress differences, that available way was valuable for some. Harry Benshoff argued in "Monsters in the Closet" that in 1936 the mainstream psychiatric "treatment" for a lesbian would be similar to Dr. Garth's advice to Zaleska. It could be pure coincidence, but it could be a way to see the scene as both part of a fine vampire story and a scene containing a subtext to consider or not as each viewer prefers.
I'm not sure that I'm disagreeing with anyone and I don't want to be disagreeable. I like the scene with Lili very much, especially the sudden move to the gruesome mask as Lili screams. It's a rich scene no matter how one prefers to interpret it.
Vampirism is ALL ABOUT subtext. It IS sublimated sex. It is seduction, intimacy, the exchange of body fluids, visits in bed at night, penetration by one of the other. It's "scary" BECAUSE it appears to be one thing but taps unease about something else entirely. (Or at least did until all this Langella/Ann Rice/Buffy/Copolla nonsense).
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drlouisjudd wrote:Hey Salzmank, thanks. Ted beat me to the point by a mile, probably not for the first or last time.
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Andy wrote:Dear Salzmank,
Many thanks for correctly summarizing my argument that vampires are, generally, equal opportunity blood fiends.
I am not so narrowly guided that I do not recognize room for sexual gratification for our undead characters as they victimize their prey, but maybe the Lesbian overtones our fellow correspondents are fond of emphasizing in Dracula's Daughter might be just a bit exaggerated.
Part of the enjoyment our discourse provides is the speculation over what may or may not have been intended in their productions.
But, as Groucho Marx observed, "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar."
Wait, maybe that wasn't Groucho....
Andy in Vancouver.
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Rivergoat wrote:I think a real comment from Groucho came on "You Bet Your Life" when a woman told him she had a bunch of kids (I don't recall the number but likely over 6). Groucho said, "...well, I love my cigar, but I take it out of my mouth once in a while..."
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John Van Helsing wrote:How about when Dracula's spirit was released from it's body in Dracula's Daughter when she burnt his remains it found a home in Lon Chaney's form for Son of Dracula? That way it could still be The Count and yet also be an American guy as for Baron Latos I have absolutely no idea!
Apr 29 17 10:49 AM
The Batman of Gotham wrote:John Van Helsing wrote:How about when Dracula's spirit was released from it's body in Dracula's Daughter when she burnt his remains it found a home in Lon Chaney's form for Son of Dracula? That way it could still be The Count and yet also be an American guy as for Baron Latos I have absolutely no idea!
Personally, I don't buy it. But, I give you props for original thinking. If it makes you and other "original Counters" happy then, go with it.
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